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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: brigidmac on Friday 26 April 24 12:19 BST (UK)
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I posted on Irish board looking for ancestors of Frances Gertrude Fullager because thats where she was born in Feb 1887
But it looks like neither parent was from Ireland
Many details on their marriage certificate are made up . June 1887
Edge hill parish of west derby
Name : George Daniel Mansfield
age 22 greengrocer :
father John MANSFIELD a grocer
Next sighting of the couple is 26th August
Criminal record in 1889 for larceny .he is plain George Mansfield . Acquitted she is found guilty
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=882066.msg7548207#msg754820
No sightings of a George with middle name Daniel elsewhere
I will ask admin to merge topics and leave on England board .
Have correct information about his wife and daughter. Thanks to rootschatters
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Born in 1887 or married in 1887?
Guessing you haven't found her on census as a child.
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Frances was born in Ireland in February 1887 and is on subsequent censuses in England with her grandmother then with her first and second husbands
The complicated trail is on the attached link see reply 6
It's her father "George Daniel MANSFIELD" who can't be found after 1889
Or before 1887 when he had baby with Alice WALDREN alias Frances real name Alice BARROW
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Yes the father of Frances Mansfield George is listed as a grocers assistant I've posted a clip of document at start of other topic
The couple are listed as married and living at 6 Montgomery st. Dublin point Cork
That is consistent with profession listed on marriage
Whitfield st. I. West derby Lancashire
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I've tried looking on ancestry searches using profession of grocer with just surname Mansfield and there are none coming up in the Liverpool area .
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Here's George's signature from marriage record
Looks like it was originally George D Mansfield and someone has added ..aniel afterwards .
I also checked out the witness George Linacre ...he loved at Highgate street and was a painter decorated ...can't find any family links to any Mansfield s
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Coming back to this
Although middle name has been transcribed by ancestry as Daniel
Could it actually be David
Not found any George David or David george Mansfield in UK either
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DNA match to a descendant of Louisa Mansfield 1852 who was a domestic servant in 1871
Father was Edward MANSFIELD
Who married Ann BARKER 1811- 1853 and then her sister Louisa BARKER 1826-1892;
Louisa 1852 is rather young to be the mother of George D but he could be descended from her sister Elizabeth a single mother Elizabeth Mansfield
*b 1846 who was a domestic servant too in 1861 then I lose sight of her
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Elizabeth Mansfield b 1846 who was a domestic servant too in 1861 then I lose sight of her
1871 census --
There's an Elizabeth Mansfield (born 1843 Liverpool) in Everton. She's an unmarried "small wares dealer".
No one else in the household. Address: 89 Prince Edwin Street, Everton
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Thank you
I'm on a roll now as the family she was working for in 1861 for William SHENTON
* He had sons John age 15 & William aged 10
There are 3 DNA matches to people with SHENTON surnames
I think this is worth following up
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Ashton i can't find the census 1871 on ancestry maybe it's mistranscribed .
It's a possibility tho a few years older .
The SHENTON lead didn't pan out either .
Back to the drawing board
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His wife was living with John Davis as married from 1901 but they didn't actually marry until 1928
So maybe that's when George D Mansfield died
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Up date as the other topic has not been moved to English boards & the topics have not been merged
From a DNA match I believe that George's grandparents are Edward MANSFIELD 1810-1882
& His first wife Ann Barker
8 children 3 girls survived to adult hood Mary 1834 Elizabeth 1846 Louisa 1852 ( too young to be George Mansfield s father but DNA match is thru her daughter Ruby KEARY .
Edward married Ann's sister Louisa BARKER in 1853 and had 6 more
children)
Mary Mansfield is age 7 on 1841
Elizabeth age 5 with family in 1851
Probably domestic servant with SHENTON family 1861 in Everton.
& Maybe in Everton alone ass a small trades dealer in 1871
I.presume one of them is George s mother
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There is a DNA link to connection to Frances Mansfield B 1858 (maybe in India)
Who lived in Scotland
The locations don't connect but Frances is a name used by descendants .
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=882421.msg7552432#msg7552432.
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Found a George Mansfield age 5 born India middle initial hard to decipher ... ancestry says P could be something else
Living with widowed grandmother
Mary Coxe in Hove Sussex
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Mary Elizabeth COX of 46 Ventnor Villas died in 1879. Her headstone at St Andrew's Old Church (since removed) stated that she was the widow of Major George COX of the Bengal Army.
Administration of her will was to Claudine Cordelia Emma SCOTT, daughter, and wife of Archibald Campbell SCOTT of Stanley Villa, Teddington, Middlesex.
Archibald died soon after and Claudine (born c1850 India) and her children are in Teddington in 1881. They married in Sussex in 1867.
Debra :)
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Thanks ;
another daughter Louisa Carolina Alberta Cox married William Henry CRAWFORD in 1886 then BURNETT
I've found a tree on ancestry where George COXE and Mary Elizabeth PROUD had 3 other daughters too
Married Surnames HARRIS .Holberton Phillips
Their son married Elizabeth OWENS
So George MANSFIELD doesn't seem to be a grandchild of Mary Coxe
Several of the grandchildren were in school in England 1851 + 1861
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I couldn't find a MANSFIELD connection either. Perhaps her will might be worth a look if she was his full time guardian.
Debra :)
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Found the connection to that family
The little boy with his grandmother was probably George Mansfield Phillips .B 1865
Son of Mary Frances or Frances Mary Coxe or Cox 1843 -1865 born & died in India & James Phillips 1844
He was at school in Derbyshire age 15 in 1881
& Married *Caroline Woodsell in India in 1898
So unlikely to be same person as George Daniel Mansfield ??
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Could anyone find who was living at
6 montgomery street Dublin
in 1891 and on electoral rolls around 1897
There must have been a reason for the couple to go to Ireland to have or just to register their baby .
Away from Liverpool where they were known to avoid scandle but why choose that destination unless they had friends or family .
Baby was brought up by Alices mother in
4 montbs before they married