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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: ele002 on Wednesday 24 April 24 10:55 BST (UK)
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Can anyone tell me where 'Great Newton Street' was in 1806 and am I correct in thinking that 'Newton Lane' in late 1700's was the now Oldham Rd?
Regards, Eric
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This looks like it - https://maps.nls.uk/view/126522791#zoom=6&lat=4549&lon=10179&layers=BT
But the map is 1888 :-\
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If it helps Great Newton St exists on this 1845 map when compared to the 1888 map https://maps.nls.uk/view/102344087#zoom=7&lat=8368&lon=13242&layers=BT
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Thanks. Not the answer I was hoping for. I was hoping/assuming Grt Newton St was in the Ancoats area. Newton Heath throws a spanner in the works.
I think I've been down this road before ( pardon the pun) and I think I found this map at the time.
I think I'll have to look at some directories next time I'm at Central Library. The address I've got in 1806 is Cropper's Buildings, Gt Newton St. Man
Thanks, Eric
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There's still hope for an Ancoats location (assuming this is the same Butler Street that is there now)
21 May 1805: Manchester Mercury
TO LET.
Several well-built DWELLING-HOUSES, situate at the corner of Butler-street, near the toll bar, Great Newton-street, Manchester. For particulars enquire of MR GEORGE SIMPSON, at the Griffin, Great Ancoat's-street.
N.B. The houses will be let at low rents to eligible tenants.
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Sorry - I was looking at press reports of the street and was interupted
I did find this attached report on 28 June 1814 Manchester Mercury which mentions a Great Newton St near George Leigh St and Poland St. I did find the former on this 1845 map https://maps.nls.uk/view/102344087#zoom=7&lat=5848&lon=8497&layers=BT
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According to the Manchester Evening News (I won’t link to it because the site will break your brain):
Tib Street
Named after one of Manchester’s ‘lost rivers’.
Back in the 1700s, a stream emerging from farmland in Miles Platting made its way alongside Newton Lane - now Oldham Road - through to Castlefield and ultimately contributed to the River Medlock.
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There was a district in Manchester, we lived there - known as Newton .
That was our postal address.
It was between Miles Plating and Newton Heath .Bounded also by Collyhurst and Bradford.
There is a Newton St ,off Great Ancoats St.The Post Office sorting office is there, going past Stevenson Square, parallel with Oldham St.
Oldham Road , a continuation of Oldham St ,name changes after crossing Great Ancoats St, led to Newton Heath , going through Ancoats,Miles Platting and Newton to Newton Heath.
The Medlock ran through Philip’s Park and Philip’s Park Cemetery, where it
was culverted for a distance and ran through Beswick to Ancoats to Chorleton on Medlock , which is near The University on Oxford Road.
Viktoria.
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The tithe map for Newton Heath, 1846, covers land to the east of Butler Street along Oldham Road and the two canals eastwards to Newton Heath. Oldham Road is labelled simply as Turnpike Road.
At the modern junction of Oldham Road with Queens Road (Lamb Lane in 1846) and Hulme Hall Lane there is a Newton Turnpike marked. This area was the village of Miles Platting at that time.
Following Hulme Hall Lane southeastwards from the junction, and just over the canal, is a site named Newton Demesne which is occupied by a James Scholes who seems also to be associated with a Bone Works and Tannery lying a little to the southwest, along the canal. To the east of Newton Demesne, and a little south, at a site corresponding to the northernmost part of Philips Park cemetery is Newton Grange.
Is it possible that a section of Oldham Road was called Great Newton Street at one time?
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I think you might be right Alan. Another newspaper report on 23 Jan 1810 in the Manchester Mercury refers to the sale of 4 dwellings situated and being in German Street near the sign of the Lord Nelson, Great Newton St, Manchester.
German St is now Raduim St as referred to in this article about the Nelson Pub, Raduim St (late German St) Oldham Road Manchester https://historyme.wordpress.com/2011/08/22/the-nelson-public-house-radium-st-late-german-st-oldham-rd-ancoats/
Kay
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I think this
1845 1888 Town Map shows the Nelson Pub on the corner of German St and at the time Oldham Road https://maps.nls.uk/view/231274272#zoom=5&lat=9696&lon=4268&layers=BT
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Thanks all. I was sure Oldham Rd used to be Newton Lane. The piece on the Tibb looks familiar. That may have been where I saw it.
The area of Ancoats mentioned in the articles looks favourable. The people I'm looking at were in that general area for many years, so it looks as though I'm on the right track. I do like the mention of Poland St.
There is some 50 years between the references to Newton Lane & Gt Newton St. but I would imagine they stayed in the General area most of the time. In fact the one born in Newton Lane was at Oldham Rd when he died.
Plenty to work on now.
Many thanks, Eric.
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Newton Lane shown on a map on the third map dated 1793 in this industrial history of Ancoats https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Ancoats/HukqDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=newton+lane+manchester&printsec=frontcover
Added - The full 1793 map https://roberthall.pictures/gallery/maps-atlases/british-maps/maps-of-england/laurent_charles_a_topographical_plan_of_manchester_and_salford/ with Newton Lane in the top right hand corner
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Thanks again.
Now I know the location of these places the hard bit starts. Finding these people 20/30 years on and hoping they are where I want them!! Easier said than done.
Many thanks, Eric