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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Cardiganshire => Topic started by: keithjd27 on Monday 22 April 24 21:00 BST (UK)
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Greetings Nice People,
I am trying to find the Family of Elias Elias born in 1790 in Penbryn.
I know he moved to Rhymney when he was about 18 and married soon after.
I don't know what happened to his parents and siblings after he left.
If anyone knows where the church records for that area are kept or anything
of the farms around that area about that time or can aim me in the right direction
I would very grateful.
Thank you in advance for taking the time to help. I am coming to the area the week
of 6th May hunting information.
I also am still looking for information about Aberffrwd between 1880 and 1900 because
that was my Grandmother (Mary Elias ) met my Grandfather (David Davies ) while
she was working as a maid in one of the big houses and he was working on a farm
Thanks again and take care - kind regards - Keith Davies
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Can you confirm these are the correct 1841/1851 entries - both are Bedwelty Monmouthshire - Rhymney is in Caerphilly
1841 - all children b Monmouthshire
Elias Elias 50 not b in county
Jane 45 not b in county
Daniel 15
Ann 15
David 10
Piece 750 Book 17 Folio 27 Page 13
Deaths Sept qtr 1847
Jane Elias aged 56 Abergavenny 26 32
1851
Elias Elias 61 widower - miner b Penbryn Cardiganshire
David Elias 23 Son - miner b Bedwelty Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Jones 12 G/dtr b Bedwelty
Mary Price 22 Servant b Carmarthenshire
Piece 2448 Folio 565 Page 16
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This might help......
https://www.library.wales/catalogues-searching/help-to-search/family-history-help/records
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Hello Keith
Genuki Penbryn Cardiganshire is full of info.
The Headstones in Welsh Graveyards are sometimes full of information.I have been amazed at some i`ve found.
Good luck
omega
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Some baptisms of children seems the family were independent denomination
Transcription only
All at - Rhymney Iron Works, Sion Chapel (Ind) Bapts 1821-1837
Date 22 Jul 1821
Parent's Surname ELIAS
Child's forename(s) Daniel
Father's forename(s) Elias
Mother's forename(s) Jane
Type of Event Baptism
Residence Parish of Bedwellty
(Father's) Occupation Miner
Officiating Minister David Stephenson
Memoranda in register Born 16 Oct 1820
Gwent record office register ref. number RG4/1248
Parish register page no. 4
Date 23 Feb 1823
Parent's Surname ELIAS
Child's forename(s) Ann
Father's forename(s) Elias
Mother's forename(s) Jane
Mother's surname (if different)
Type of Event Baptism
Residence Parish of Bedwellty
(Father's) Occupation Miner
Officiating Minister David Stephenson
Memoranda in register Born 2 Feb 1823
Gwent record office register ref. number RG4/1248
Parish register page no. 6
Date 8 Aug 1825
Parent's Surname ELIAS
Child's forename(s) Ann
Father's forename(s) Elias
Mother's forename(s) Jane
Type of Event Baptism
Residence
(Father's) Occupation
Officiating Minister
Memoranda in register Born 20 Jul 1825
Transcriber's Notes
Gwent record office register ref. number RG4/1248
Parish register page no. 7
Date 28 Jan 1828
Parent's Surname ELIAS
Child's forename(s) David
Father's forename(s) Elias
Mother's forename(s) Jane
Type of Event Birth
Residence Parish of Bidwellty
(Father's) Occupation Miner
Officiating Minister
Memoranda in register Baptised with water on [blank]
Transcriber's Notes Baptism date not given
Gwent record office register ref. number RG4/1248
Parish register page no. 9
Date 24 Oct 1830
Parent's Surname ELIAS
Child's forename(s) Elias
Father's forename(s) Elias
Mother's forename(s) Jane
Type of Event Baptism
Residence Parish of Bedwellty
(Father's) Occupation Miner
Officiating Minister John Davies
Memoranda in register Born 20 Aug 1830
Gwent record office register ref. number RG4/1248
Parish register page no. 20
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MON/Bedwellty - contains the chapelry of Rhymney
Cas
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Possible marriage - image online
Name Elias Elias
Marriage Date 17 Sep 1814
Marriage Place Llangynidr, Breconshire, Wales
Residence Place Bedwellty county of Monmouth
Spouse Jane Jones - of this parish
Both made their mark
Witness - John Davies - Jane Thomas
Cas
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There is also this marriage online which could be another daughter
Name Gwenllian Elias
Marriage Age Full Age, spinster
Marriage Date 14 May 1838
Marriage Place Bedwellty, Monmouthshire, Wales
Both living Rhymney
Father Elias Elias - miner
Spouse Richard Jones
Witness - Daniel Elias - Sarah Jones
All made their mark.
From census Gwenllian born c1818 Bedwellty
Cas
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Elias is with married son David & family in 1861. Death 18 Dec 1862
ELIAS, ELIAS age 73
GRO Reference: 1862 D Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 68
Executor of his probate gives son Thomas, there is a possible born c1816 in area.
Online tree for family gives a DNA connection as father being David Elias - 1841 census bc 1766 farmer, living Penbryn.
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/Penbryn - see church records for info where kept.
Cas
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Mary Elias
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MON/Where#A
Aberffrwd, Monmouthshire is 1 miles (2 Km) W of Llan-arth / Llanarth, Monmouthshire. This is measured directly between the two points 'as the crow flies' ignoring any geographical features such as rivers or hills.
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MON/Llanarth
There is also Aberffrwd in Cardiganshire.
Cas
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Hello Nice People,
Thank you all for your help . I will try to answer the points you have raised as they
come up on my screen.
Carole W - Yes, This is my Family - Daniel was my Great Grandfather.
With regard to Rhymney being in Caerphilly what I have found is that Admin areas
etc. are a bit vague. My one advantage is I've found out that a lot of them are
buried in Soar-Y-Graig cemetery. I'm going there on the 6thMay.
Graham Simons - Yes, I think you are right so I am going on to Aberystwyth to see what
I can find.
omega 1 - It seems all roads lead to Aberystwyth.
Cas - Thank you so much - I didn't realise how useful GENUKI really is and what you did
for me has been a great help.
Thanks to you Nice People I am better prepared for my week long scavenger hunt in Wales.
Take care all - Kind regards - Keith