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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: esseco on Friday 19 April 24 07:33 BST (UK)
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Hi all,
I would like some guidance about the above couple. I know Horace was born in France and that he and his wife Ada travelled on board the "Bahia Castillo" departing London on 17th April 1920. I don't know when they arrived in the UK and I can't find them in Australia or when they actually arrived.
My son-in-law knew his grandfather, Kenneth Charles son of Horace and Ada. Kenneth's parents divorced in 1937 and his mother Ada remarried in 1939 to a "Charles". Kenneth took on the new family name of Charles. Probably no paperwork ever done...
If anyone can send me some advice, that would be great. Thank you. Dianne
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Hi,
Just to clarify.
Was it the given name OR the surname of Ada's second husband that was Charles.
ie Mr Charles ,,?,,?,,, Or Mr .? .?.. CHARLES?.
Was the son Mr Kenneth CHARLES or Kenneth Charles ...?...
When and where did Kenneth the son die?
Sue
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The couple arrived from London to Melbourne .
The surname listed BOURBAND.
Horace and Ada E.
Date 10 June 1920.
Bahia Castillo was carrying mostly returning Aust troops post WW1.
No children were with the couple.
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/
Sue
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incoming passenger list to Freemantle (Ship went on to Sydney)
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Gallery151/dist/JGalleryViewer.aspx?B=30151154&S=1&N=20&R=0#/SearchNRetrieve/NAAMedia/ShowImage.aspx?B=30151154&T=P&S=15
Horace is AIF (this is a ship returning troops, plus wives acquired).
So - Horace in Australia prior to this date?
there is a newspaper entry in Trove for 1915 - fined for not having lights, or showing lights, or something for a Horace Bourbard.
arrival in Sydney of ship. https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/239625778?searchTerm=Bahia%20Castillo
Snap. posted anyway as had some links
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In 1937, Horace lived at 8 Hawksburn Rd South Yarra, Victoria. He was a mechanic.
No others of the surname there.
He had previously been in Elsternwick where Ada Emmaline was with him at 5 Joyce Street, An engineer. 1927 & 1928
It looks as if he built a boat. If so,there is a picture of him
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/279613651
Sue
Modified to add E. roll details for Elsternwick
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Marriages Dec 1919
BOURBAND Horace E Underhill Swindon 5a 29
Underhill Ada E Bourband Swindon 5a 29
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Horace died 22 Mar 1957 of Toorak
Grant date (Victoria) 13 June 1957
file no 512/919
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Birth for Ada I think
UNDERHILL, ADA EMELINE SMITH
GRO Reference: 1898 D Quarter in HIGHWORTH Volume 05A Page 1
image for baptism on Ancestry has birth as 1 Sept 1898, parents as John & Minnie. John is a joiner.
Rodbourne Cheney, Wiltshire, England
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Ada Emeline Charles
Death 27 Apr 1977, Blackrock
Grant date (Victoria) 14 Sep 1977. (She is a widow)
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Mr Charles looks to be William John CHARLES, a butcher.
171 Glenferrie Rd, Hawthorn, Yarra in 1942
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Mr Charles looks to be William John CHARLES, a butcher.
171 Glenferrie Rd, Hawthorn, Yarra in 1942
And I think I see Kenneth in the same area in 1949 as the couple.
Kenneth Richard CHARLES, a butcher at 4 Inverleith Street Hawthorn .
Does this sound likely?
Sue
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I don't understand why there is no WW1 Record.
There isn't one for this BOURBAND either (War Office Casualty List. -- this clip from Australian Infantry. 14th May 1918
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found that one = he is Rex Norman BOURBAUD at archives
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/DetailsReports/ItemDetail.aspx?Barcode=3100654&isAv=N
And here is Horace ! also BOURBAUD
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=3100652
it contains the Army's transcript of the marriage certificate
and so this is his birth registration (Victoria)
BOURBAUD
Horace
Birth
mother Jeannie DREW
father Adrien George
district MALVERN
1890
14746/1890
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Mr Charles looks to be William John CHARLES, a butcher.
171 Glenferrie Rd, Hawthorn, Yarra in 1942
And I think I see Kenneth in the same area in 1949 as the couple.
Kenneth Richard CHARLES, a butcher at 4 Inverleith Street Hawthorn .
Does this sound likely?
Sue
I would say that is correct Sue.
here is the birth
BOURBAUD
Kenneth Richd
mother Ada Emeline UNDERHILL
father Horace
RYUP
1923
7570/1923
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there are some very, very useful Family Notices in Trove for BOURBAUD
modified to add a Very ;D
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There was another child
BOURBAUD
Adrian Horace
Mother - Ada Emeline UNDERHOLL
Father - Horace
ELSTERNWICK
1921
3183/1921
and in 1949 he is at the Glenferrie Road address too.
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Wow, what a fantastic group of people. Thankyou all so much, so much information to absorb and followup on. This will keep me happy for a long time.
Still got lots to do sorting out between Ada Em(m)aline and Ada Emily, bearing in mind the "Underhill" surname.
Very much appreciated. Cheers, Dianne
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Kenneth's parents divorced in 1937 and his mother Ada remarried
It was Ada who sued for divorce on the grounds of desertion.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/11080457
Ada's second husband William John CHARLES was born-
CHARLES William John
M. Agnes PETRIE
F. Iden
FITZROY NORTH
18451/1899
From at least 1931 to 1936 William John was living with his parents, Agnes and Iden Goble G CHARLES at 75 Murphy Street Elsternwick.
Kenneth Richard BOURBAUD's brother Adrian Horace enlisted in the forces of WW2.
You can see his digitised record at the National Archives link given previously. Use the surname BOURBAUD, not CHARLES.
He enlisted 1942 and was born in Elsternwick . A fitter and single. The file contains a photo of him.
The interesting thing is he states as NOK, his father Horace, living at 352 North Rd, Auburn.
Kenneth Richard also enlisted in 1941 using the surname BOURBAUD. A butcher. Single.
His NOK is his mother Ada.
There is a letter in the file dated 1986 about claiming some medals which states-
"Since my discharge I have changed my name by Deed Poll"
Now Charles.
This means he was known by and went under the name of BOURBAUD until his 20's being discharged in 1945.
Unusual. One wonders at the late change.
Sue
Adrian Horace never changed his name apparently.
He remains as BOURBAUD on the Victorian Elecoral Roll until 1980 with others of the surname at the addresses.
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Thanks again Sue, this will make my son-in-law feel good.
Cheers,
Di