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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: JANICELEEDALE on Monday 15 April 24 21:14 BST (UK)
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Greeings oh wise ones. Again I have searched all I can to find the birth records for Alfred. F Richard (convict) Hughes Mary Margaret Gleeson (?).
Any advice appreciated.
Cheers TIA
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The moderator has kindly moved this to the Australia board.
For reference, here is the entry for Alfred in the Australia, Death Index:
Name: Alfred Hughes
Death Date: 22 Apr 1903
Death Place: Queensland
Father: Richard Hughes
Mother: Margaret Gleeson
And his headstone:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/186300223/alfred-hughes
Queenie :)
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there is another post for this family.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=864745.0
if you read the other post might save doing searches already completed for the family
regards
Cass
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Thank you for moderator moving my post.
Queenie, thank you for all your work. I am looking for 'proof' e.g. birth cert entry or bdm. I can't in it down. J
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Hi Janice,
If you click on the link given above by Cass T, you will see 2 pages of responses to your original post.
Maybe after you have read them and given thought, you might like to suggest any other information you are seeking and perhaps we can be of help.
Post here, not on the other thread. ;D.
Sue
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Civil registration of births, deaths and marriages did not start in NSW until 1856 so before that you are relying on finding a church record of baptism, marriage or burial. Not all children were baptised and not all church records have survived or have been made available to the Registry for indexing.
https://www.nsw.gov.au/family-and-relationships/family-history-search/registry-records
Debra :)
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Hi
Looking at his parents gravestone
Mary Margaret Hughes nee Gleeson born 1830 Nenagh, County Tipperary, Ireland
died 11.10.1866.
Richard Hughes born 1800 England died 6.11.1874
Elder brother Clifford born 1841.
Given there is a Richard Hughes convict transported 1830 on the Cumberland from Kent I'd go for this.
Richard seems to have married Charlotte Botten 2.7.1826 Frinsted.
Children - Anne 3.6.1827 Frinsted and Clifford 14.6.1829 at Lenham.
The children are with Thomas Hughs and Anne nee Clifford married 4.8.1805 Maidstone on the 1841 census at Frinsted.
I'm guessing Richard was their son from before their marriage in 1805.
The parish records for Nenagh Couthy Tipperrary start 1831 but it's a place to start.
Ciderdrinker
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If Mary Margaret Gleeson (mother) born 1830 and Alfred Hughes born 1843,(as you state) that seems to be incorrect and makes her 30 years younger than husband Richard and only 13 when she had Alfred!
shume australia
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Hi
Yes sorry about that .I went with the transcription on Find a grave
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/150138326/mary-margaret-hughes
However they are all on the same gravestone and her age can't be right because son Clifford is given as born 1839 .Trouble is ,the first digit of her age at death is so worn it's difficult to tell.
She *6 years old in 1866.
So given son Clifford born 1839 her year of birth has to be 1820,1810 ,1800.
Looking at another data set Sydney, Australia, Cemetery Headstone Transcriptions, 1837-2003 on Ancestry it says 56.
Clifford Thomas Henry was baptised 26 Dec 1841 birth date May 25th Liverpool St Luke Sydney so that doesn't quite match up either. (Clifford's entrance to Darlinghurst jail in July 1860 also says age 20 so born 1840).
Ciderdrinker
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Are you interested in Deborah Nee Hayes parents Daniel Hayes and Deborah Crow, per marriage certificate.
They arrived 1856, 5 February on the ship James Ternie
Dennis Hayes 43 born Limerick Ireland labourer
Deborah 40 born Ireland
Jeremiah 8
Deborah 5**
The daughter Deborah was registered June quarter 1850 West Ham, Vol 12 page 326
GRO index has mother's maiden name as Crow.
1851 census Plaistow Essex
Dennis Hayes 38 born Ireland labourer at Chemical Works
Deborah 36 Born Ireland
James 17 born Ireland Engineers Labourer
Mary 14 born Ireland
Jeremiah 4 born London
Deborah ** 1 born West Ham
Bartholomew Hayes 23 -Brother born Ireland Chemical Labourer
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I omitted something from the passenger list
Parents of Dennis are Jeremiah Hayes and Mary
Parents of Deborah are James and Deborah Crow.
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Hello amondg, I would be very interested in the mc. Thank you for all your work. Would you be able to share mc? who are they to you? janice
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Not related, just a rootschatter, who tries to help.
The marriage certificate for Deborah Hayes is on ancestry.
Her parents Daniel Hayes and Deborah Crow married in Ireland as the first 2 children are born there.
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thank you very very much