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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Herefordshire => Topic started by: pedroparker on Saturday 13 April 24 21:20 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I'm trying to find out if possible when a relative of mine left Weobley to go to America.
Her name was Mary King Lawrence. She was born in Byford, Hereford on 13th October 1835. She was baptised in Byford, Hereford on 18th October 1835. Her 1st marriage was to John Wilson in Hereford 1857. They had 9 known children before John Wilson died in Weobley, Hereford in 1872. She married her 2nd husband George Jones in Preston on Wye, Weobley on 6th March 1873. We believe they had 2 children, possibly more. One possibly George and another Ella. We know nothing of these 2 children nor her 2nd husband George Jones. Between 1873 and 1922 we know many of her children and herself went to Illinois USA. She died in Illinois USA on 17th December 1922.
Any help in finding when she arrived in America and left the UK would be greatly appreciated. It would also be nice to find out what happened to George Jones and/if what happened to any children they had from this 2nd marriage.
Kind regards.
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Were the 2 children born in the USA as there are no Jones/Lawrence births found on GRO online in Hereford
Have you looked for them on the 1880 USA census?
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1417683
1890. https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1610551
1900 https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1325221
Have you bought a copy of the 1873 marriage cert to see what info is given re George - was he also a widower? What was his occupation? What was his fathers name & occupation?
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Hi CaroleW,
Thank you for your time and help.
I've looked in Hereford for these children but also have had no luck finding. Have tried Jones/Wilson (1st marriage name) for Hereford also but again hit blanks. As of yet nothing jumping out at me from the USA. Though my skillset in researching census's outside of the UK is very amateur at best.
I'll take another look through via your links. Thanks for sending.
For some reason I have in my mind that I saw something in my research previously that George Jones had died in the UK before they went over but can't be sure of this nor find any evidence to suggest he did.
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Do you know where she died in Illinois? Do you know when George Jones was born?
Could this be them:
1910 Census La Prairie Township, Marshall County, Illinois
George Jones, 68, married 1 for 38 years, born in England, parents also, arrived 1873, naturalized, farmer, general farm, he rented the farm but worked on his own account
Mary Jones, 74, married 2x, this time for 38 years, 12 children, 10 alive, born in England, parents also, no arrival date,
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MK6L-LS3
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Do you have the names and birth years for Mary's children by John Wilson? Finding them in the US might help you find Mary. Or do you know what part of the US they lived in? Illinois also?
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Hi, oldohiohome. Thanks for helping and your time too.
I don't know the exact place unfortunately or how old George Jones was.
I had come across this record just recently from CaroleW's link to family search. This does seem to be a very likely match.
I do have information on 9 of her children:
All born Hereford.
Alice Maud Mary King Wilson b. 1858-d.1928 USA - Wife of Charles Arndt
Ada Anne Wilson b.1859-d. ?
Charles John Wilson b.1860-d.1944 Boone Iowa USA
Clara Elizabeth Wilson b.1862-d.1939 Idaho wife of John Leopold Beager.
Annetta Caroline Nellie Wilson b.1864-d.1932 South Dakota wife of John Estelle
John Uredale Wilson b.1866-d.1928 Illinois
Leah Nora Wilson b.1868-d.1958 Illinois wife of William Henry Enoch Predmore
Herbert Edward Wilson b.1870-d.1950 Illinois
Gertrude Sarah Wilson b.1872 -d. Date n.k. wife of unknown Clarke.
... So the information that she had 12 children, 10 still living could well be correct. These 9, a possible George and Ella Jones and one unknown.
Hope this is of help.
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ok, thanks, I've turned a few them up but not all.
Son John was of La Prairie when he married in 1889 and is there in 1900 to at least 1920.
There is a George Jones age 35, married but with no family, a farm laborer in La Prairie, in 1880.
Immigration years for the children so far are 1875 and 1876 for John, 1880 for Annette. But those are just what they say on the censuses years later and are often wrong.
Will keep looking for Mary and George's children - nothing so far.
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Gertrude Sarah Wilson b.1872 -d. Date n.k. wife of unknown Clarke.
This looks like it may be Gertrude's marriage record to Drincy D. Clark - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K8F4-KFH She was a widower and in California.
Where did the information about Mary's death date come from? I don't see her on the Illinois death indexes.
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Gertrude Sarah Wilson b.1872 -d. Date n.k. wife of unknown Clarke.
This looks like it may be Gertrude's marriage record to Drincy D. Clark - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K8F4-KFH She was a widower and in California.
Gertrude S Wilson, age 18, dau of John W Wilson and Mary K Lawrence, m 9 December 1890, Custer County, Nebraska, to Allen O Marsh. Both were of "West Union."
obituary for Gertrude Sarah Marsh 27 May 1954 in Cambell, Nebraska
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I didn't find George and Mary Jones on the images of the 1900 Census of La Prairie Township, Marshall Co, Illinois.
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Mary and George's daughter Ella:
Ella Albertie Jones
age 18, born in "Canidy", parents: George Jones and Mary K Lorence
married John Edward Halsey, 21, born in "Misoura" on 9 January 1893, in Taylor, Loup County, Nebraska
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X5Z5-L3F
family here, if their research is correct
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LJV3-2Z7
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Pedro
You might want to contact the Weobley Historical Society for a different take on this, they helped me in tracing my family.
secretary@hotmail.com
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for Mary and George Jones' daughter Ella:
Ella Alberta Jones Halsey:
1900: West Newton? Township, Custer County, Nebraska https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M3Y2-B44
1910: Somerset Precinct, Lincoln County, Nebraska https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:ML4P-YWF
1920: Somerset, Lincoln County, Nebraska https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MCKL-SJY
1930: Somerset, Lincoln County, Nebraska https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XQ29-XPD
1940: McPherson Precinct, Lincoln County, Nebraska https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K9M6-2BZ
findagrave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/54943304/ella_alberta_halsey
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There were obits for Mary and John Wilson's daughter Clara Elizabeth (Wilson) Beager who died 1939 in Idaho. They were at newspapers.com but I couldn't access them.
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Thanks oldohiohome, lots of great information there for me to add, that's fantastic. Really appreciate your help and the wealth of information you've provided me that I didn't have.
Shellyesq - thank you too for your help. I did not know that Gertrude was a widower when she married. Mary's death had come from a family member but I have no paper evidence. So am open to being corrected as always if there is evidence to prove otherwise.
Northern Geezer - thanks for the tip/link. I've been in touch with the records office for Weobley over the years but not tried/seen the historical society. So will drop them a few lines.
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CaroleW - just re-read and think you're right to order the marriage certificate for George and Mary.
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Shellyesq - maybe looking for coincidences here, and I'm really not familiar with USA marriage certificates... On the marriage certificate halfway down is the certification signing etc. There it has Ada Robinson Emma Smith and the word 'companed'?. Does anyone know what this means or who this person could have been or been recorded for? Am wondering if this could have been her sister? Am I putting 2+2 together and coming up with 5 or is this a realistic possibility?
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Shellyesq - maybe looking for coincidences here, and I'm really not familiar with USA marriage certificates... On the marriage certificate halfway down is the certification signing etc. There it has Ada Robinson Emma Smith and the word 'companed'?. Does anyone know what this means or who this person could have been or been recorded for? Am wondering if this could have been her sister? Am I putting 2+2 together and coming up with 5 or is this a realistic possibility?
If I read it right, Ada Robinson and Emma Smith "compared" the copy of the license or the certificate to the original, at the request of the minister who officiated. I haven't seen this before. Ada could be anyone, including Gertrude's sister.
The witnesses to the marriage might have told you something, but the only witness is the minister's wife.
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possible source for date of death of Mary King (Lawrence) Wilson Jones:
On Mary King Lawrence' page on familysearch tree the last source mentioned is "Clara Wilson Beager's Bible."
The person who posted it is listed along side the source and if you click on his name, you will find his email address.
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/sources/K2K3-RHB
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If it doesn't work for you, say so and I can PM you his name and email address. We can't post email addresses here and he might still be alive. The post was in 2020.
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Another connection to La Prairie Township, Marshall Co, Illinois
Son Herbert E Wilson
20 March 1902, married in Stark County, Illinois, to Daisy Hoffman
resident of La Prairie Center(?) as is his wife
married at Valley Township Stark Co, Illinois. witnesses Joseph and Josephine Rogers
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK9L-D34B
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The obituary of Gertrude (Wilson) Marsh Clarke, who evidently died as Marsh, has already been clipped at newspapers.com, so it is viewable. It doesn't mention any siblings at all. I looked at what else the person had clipped and didn't see anything relevant, but you can click on their name and take a look.
Campbell, Nebraska, News, May 27, 1954
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-campbell-news-obituary-for-gertrude/76309016/
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Thanks oldohiohome, apologies for a delay in replying.
That's a brilliant help to me again. Really appreciate it.
* The Ada Robinson/Emma Smith anomaly is interesting. And her sister Ada is still very elusive so will look into and note down incase.
* Link to Clara Beager's bible contact email works well thanks. I'll contact them shortly.
* Re- Herbert, that's brilliant again, had no marriage for him. I have DNA matches to Hoffman's in that area which could possibly throw more light but maybe another coincidence. ::)
* Re- Marsh, thank you again. As you said, no children mentioned but I'll have a look for children incase.
Thanks again for your time and kind help.
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Shellyesq - maybe looking for coincidences here, and I'm really not familiar with USA marriage certificates... On the marriage certificate halfway down is the certification signing etc. There it has Ada Robinson Emma Smith and the word 'companed'?. Does anyone know what this means or who this person could have been or been recorded for? Am wondering if this could have been her sister? Am I putting 2+2 together and coming up with 5 or is this a realistic possibility?
Ada Robinson is not Ada Annie Wilson.
Newspapers.com marriage index
Ada H Brown, 22, married Martin S Robinson in Santa Ana about 1926
1930 Census, Santa Ana
Ana H Robinson, 26, lodger/head, married (but not with her husband), born in Colorado, father in Illinois, mother in Louisiana, typist, county court house
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XCDL-2C3
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Thanks oldohiohome
That's great that I can rule this out.
Thanks again for your help.