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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: Neil_A on Saturday 13 April 24 16:57 BST (UK)
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Hi
I am looking at a couple of baptism records that use the word 'Povar' or 'Pevar' after the name of the father. Any ideas as to what or where this references? Is it an old way of saying 'Peover'? The baptism records are from late 17th/early 18th century Lymm and from the same father (I assume) i.e. John Leigh.
Many thanks
Neil
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It could be an occupation such as Pavier.
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If you give names and dates perhaps we can take a look.
It would be easier. 🙂
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Peover is pronounced Peever so that is almost certainly the places they intended. Of course you still have a choice of Over Peover or Lower Peover (alias Peover Superior and Inferior) but at least they are next to each other.
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Here's an example.
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Peover is pronounced Peever so that is almost certainly the places they intended. Of course you still have a choice of Over Peover or Lower Peover (alias Peover Superior and Inferior) but at least they are next to each other.
Thank you! A location such as Upper/Lower Peover would make sense. But wouldn't it be strange that the baptisms would be held at such a distance (c. 13 miles) from Lymm, given the other (closer) churches in the area.
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Cheshire Parish Register Database has transcribed it as Peov. abbreviated .
FORENAME MARY SEX F
FATHER_FORENAME*JON SURNAME LEIGH
RESIDENCE PEOV
NAME_1*JOHN ADDITIONAL_INFORMATION*7090411 *
JOHN:JON LEIGH PEVAR
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Cheshire Parish Register Database has transcribed it as Peov. abbreviated.
FORENAME MARY SEX F
FATHER_FORENAME*JON SURNAME LEIGH
RESIDENCE PEOV
NAME_1*JOHN ADDITIONAL_INFORMATION*7090411 *
JOHN:JON LEIGH PEVAR
Thank you!! Is there a database of Lymm baptisms available that make sense of some of the descriptors? I have a few more that would be great to test. e.g. Peter Leigh (03 Oct 1669), Jane Leigh (Jul 1677), and Alice Leigh (17 Jul 1680) to name a few ;)
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There is a 'Glossary' page on The Cheshire Parish Register Project site, which gives a list of abbreviations for the parishes.
eg "ALDA : Alderley BTs
ALDL : Alderley
AUDL : Audlem
BACA : Backford BTs
BACK : Backford
BEBI : Bebington
BIDA : Bidston BTs
BIDS : Bidston
BROA : Bromborough BTs
BROB : Bromborough
BUNB : Bunbury
BURT : Burton
CEJB : Chester, St John
CEMA : Chester, St Mary BTs
CEMY : Chester, St Mary
CHDL : Cheadle
CHDX : Cheadle BTs
DAVA : Davenham BTs
However, if you scroll further down the Glossary to 'residence', you'll find a long list of them.
The baptism of Peter, father John, in 1669 says residence as "SINK".
SHYG : Shady Grove.
SIBB : Sibbersfield.
SIDD : Siddington.
SIDE : Sidebottom Fold.
SIDH : Siddalls Hill.
SIMG : Simms Green.
SIMH : Simmonds Hill.
SIMM : Simmonds Green.
SIND : Sinderland.
SING : Sinderland Green.
SINK : Sinck Moss.
SKEL : Skellorn Green.
SLAC : Slack, The.
SLAH : Slaughter H
There is no residence transcribed for the baptism of 'Alis" in 1680.
Next to the baptism of Jane in 1677 is 'LEHH".
LEFT : Leftwich.
LEGH : Legh.
LEHH : High Legh.
LEHH : Legh, High.
LEHP : Ley Hey Park.
LEIG : Leighton.
LEIH : Leigh.
LEIL : Leigh, Little.
LEIL : Little Leigh.
LEIN : Leighton in Nantwich.
LEIS : Leighton in Neston.
LEYL : Leylands.
I see there is also a John Leigh baptised April 11 1667, father John of "SINK".
Also a Josiah Leigh baptised Dec 5 1686, father John of 'LEHH"
There are many, many baptisms where there is no place of residence given.
You can click on each entry in the CPRP to find the other information given in the entries in the registers - at this point in time it looks usually just the father's name.
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There are other baptisms which give the place name, but they are all preceeded by Do: Do Rush Green, Do Lymm etc.
Those of John Leigh have a single word, and some look more like pavor: Ann in 1711 and Thomas in 1713
May be a different person, but one in 1712 has John son of John Leigh Do broomedge.
A couple of others have John Leigh Buchar (Butcher?), again no Do, as though they were distinguishing between two differnt people.
Mary, daughter of John Leigh Bucher in Jan 1717/8 follows after Thomas son of a Thomas Leigh paver in Oct 1717
Another in 1713 has Margaret d Thomas Leigh Rush Green (no Do but may be short of space) followed next day by Thomas son of John Leigh pavor, which could be a place or occupation.
David
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At a guess 'Do' is probably 'De' meaning 'of'
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No capital P in pavor. ?
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No capital P in pavor. ?
That is so true - it does suggest something that isn't a location, doesn't it, given the context of other locations listed that do include caps.