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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Mayo => Topic started by: Martin514 on Wednesday 10 April 24 21:58 BST (UK)
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Hi Folks,
I'm attempting to track the family of James Gavan/Gavin and his wife Mary Kennedy Gavan/Gavin
I'm a bit mystified by a name that's cropped up on some of the records associated with the family, If I'm reading the attached record correctly its: Pullahurra - anybody know where exactly this is?? I looked on Townlands.ie and Loganim.ie without success
Martin
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If the informant was still alive in 1901 you could look them up and see if their address helped with the location at all.
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On James and Mary's marriage, this name is the address of Mary.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1885/10863/5966303.pdf
This looks like her father Pat's death
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1903/05651/4590896.pdf
in Cloonfinnaun
I think this could just be a simple case of how they pronounced the name and the registrar not understanding what they were saying or it was a local name for a part of the townland which is lost today.
I had a family using a very old name as their address which I only found on one record from the 1840s about repairing flood damage at their mill and later as the name of a greyhound. If they hadn't been millers and known in living memory I would never have been able to work out where they lived.
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Sinann,
Do you think this could be that Patrick Kennedy in 1901? The age is out and he has a daughter Mary Kennedy with him so nothing matches up.
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Swineford/Cloonfinnaun/1600825/
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Yes I noticed him, that would be two daughter's called Mary, doesn't add up.
It would be good to know of other living children to find them in the census, I've struggled with this family last night and today.
I also wondered if the Pull could refer to a hole of some kind, but looking a Griffith's I can see anything obvious, unless it's a name for the bog land.
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James' baptism, left hand page
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632338#page/153/mode/1up
Cloonfinane
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Looks good and a John Kennedy godparent.
Where are the Gavans in 1901?
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Could that Mary in the census be Mary Gavin but listed with her maiden name, assumed not married.
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Yes, I wondered that too but where are the children and her husband?
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Bridget Gavin b 1891 - Cloonfinane
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1891/02397/1893689.pdf
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I don't think that is the same family.
Mary Kennedy Gavan was married to James Gavan it seems in 1885 - found this enty last night which I attached. I don't think she would have reverted to her maiden name had her husband passed prior to the census. I see the use of the mysterious Pullahurra on the registry entry
Martin
Yes I noticed him, that would be two daughter's called Mary, doesn't add up.
It would be good to know of other living children to find them in the census, I've struggled with this family last night and today.
I also wondered if the Pull could refer to a hole of some kind, but looking a Griffith's I can see anything obvious, unless it's a name for the bog land.
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James' baptism, left hand page
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632338#page/153/mode/1up
Cloonfinane
...and his civil birth record - 29 August 1896 at Pulachurra ( or Pulaechurra?). The witness his mother.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02146/1814750.pdf
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Where do you have the family after James’ birth?
As posted earlier, they had a child Bridget in 1891 and residence was Cloonfinane.
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More color Mary Kennedy Gavan and James Gavan had a daughter also Mary born on 16 Sep 1893. This woman emigrated to America and is the grandparent of a friend of mine - see attached birth cert
Martin
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Not saying Mary changed her name just that the enumerator assumed.
If you look at the original neither Mary or Pat filled in the form
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James' baptism, left hand page
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632338#page/153/mode/1up
Cloonfinane
This baptism is 1896 - the birth we began with is 1898
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02146/1814750.pdf
There is a death in 1898
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Mary's baptism, with the name as Lavin
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632338#page/135/mode/1up
and a new spelling for that place name.
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Begining record was an 1898 Civil Registry death entry of a 2 year old so that ties with the 1896 baptism
James' baptism, left hand page
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632338#page/153/mode/1up
Cloonfinane
This baptism is 1896 - the birth we began with is 1898
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02146/1814750.pdf
There is a death in 1898
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Here is John Kennedy in 1901 - Cloonfinnaun. James baptised 1896, had a godfather, J K.
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Swineford/Cloonfinnaun/1600826/
The birth of Thomas Kennedy -c1895 , Pulachorra
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1895/02225/1838950.pdf
James - 1891
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1891/02365/1883370.pdf
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In the 1901 census, the husband is apparently in Swinford workhouse.
A son is working as a farm servant.
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Tithe Applotment Book
https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004587457/004587457_00717.pdf
Pullaghera right next to Cloonfinnae
so looks like a tiny townland taken over by Cloonfinnaun.
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Thank you., Wexflyer
Is this the son - John, 14 yrs
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Swineford/Esker/1601080/
Possibility for Death- James Gavin 1905 - informant, wife Mary
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1905/05599/4574147.pdf
Great find Sinann.
So those records seem to be good for the right people.
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Thank you., Wexflyer
Is this the son - John, 14 yrs
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Swineford/Esker/1601080/
I believe so.
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James Gavin in Swinford Workhouse, 1901
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Swineford/Swineford_Workhouse/1601370/ (https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Swineford/Swineford_Workhouse/1601370/)
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Harken is in Pullaghera in the Applotment books, and in Griffith's Horken is in Cloonfinnaun with land next to Patrick Kennedy, the names appear a few times in Griffith's, on Land, houses and bog.
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Bridget Gavin emigration 1913 - mother Mary Gavin, Swinford. She is going to her cousin, Sarah Farragher, Brooklyn
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JNYR-Z68
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The age is out but this could be Mary in 1911
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Swineford/Newpark/742774/
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The next registered death after that of James Gavin, aged 2, in 1898, is that of his grandmother,
Mary Kennedy, aged 77.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1898/05810/4644774.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1898/05810/4644774.pdf)
As she was a widow at that point, the Patrick Kennedy (and daughter Mary) in the 1901 census can't be the correct family.
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The next registered death after that of James Gavin, aged 2, in 1898, is that of his grandmother,
Mary Kennedy, aged 77.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1898/05810/4644774.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1898/05810/4644774.pdf)
As she was a widow at that point, the Patrick Kennedy (and daughter Mary) in the 1901 census can't be the correct family.
Actually, that Mary Kennedy was a widow was a clerical error - corrected version shows. So, Patrick in 1901 census is her posssible/probable husband.