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Hi, Is anyone able to help me please? Trying to find a Marriage which I believe took place in Gateshead Durham, in 1876, all nine of their children were baptised in St Josephs Catholic Church, beginning registered Jan 1877 through to Jan 1895 the couple were Patrick Henry b Abt 1851 and his wife Mary O'Neill b1852 they were both from Londonderry Northern Ireland, but Mary stated on the 1921 census she was from Greenlough, Londonderry, I have exhausted (I think) all the Ireland avenues but as yet drawn a blank. I have recently contacted Tyne and Wear Archives, but its not happening quickly enough.......probably got a backlog of enquiries, any suggestions/help would be much appreciated. Thank you.
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Have you looked on the Free BMD index which covers births, marriages, deaths for England & Wales.
Not all couples actually married so be prepared not to find one.
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Well there is a Patrick Henry marriage in Gateshead 1876 but neither of the possible brides were Mary O'Neill.
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O'NEILL, CATHERINE HENRY
GRO Reference: 1879 M Quarter in GATESHEAD Volume 10A Page 842
If I have the right family, it looks like Mary's maiden name was Henry?
So Patrick O'Neill married Mary Henry.
Queenie :)
The daughters Mary and Bridget Henry have mothers maiden surname O’Neil ?
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The daughters Mary and Bridget Henry have mothers maiden surname O’Neil ?
The brain fog really got to me today! ;D Was looking at the wrong family.
Queenie :)
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Name: Patrick Henry
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 11 Sep 1878
Marriage Place: St Peter's, Belfast city, Ireland, Ireland
Residence Place: 23 Springgview Street
Parish Variants Derby Street, Belfast, St. Peter's
Diocese: Down and Connor
Father: Patrick Henry
Mother: Statia McCan
Spouse: Mary A O'Neil
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Name: Patrick Henry
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 11 Sep 1878
Marriage Place: St Peter's, Belfast city, Ireland, Ireland
Residence Place: 23 Springgview Street
Parish Variants Derby Street, Belfast, St. Peter's
Diocese: Down and Connor
Father: Patrick Henry
Mother: Statia McCan
Spouse: Mary A O'Neil
See https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=831229.msg7537206#msg7537206
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the couple were Patrick Henry b Abt 1851 and his wife Mary O'Neill b1852 they were both from Londonderry Northern Ireland, but Mary stated on the 1921 census she was from Greenlough, Londonderry,
Please could you confirm the address for this 1921 census where Mary states she was from Greenlough, Londonderry?
Boo
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She's at 35 Peareth Street Gateshead.
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She's at 35 Peareth Street Gateshead.
Thanks JenB :-)
Boo
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I can only see one marriage of a Patrick Henry in Gateshead in 1876.
He married a Helena Peters (confirmed by a search on Gateshead Council's website) and in 1881 they appear to be living in Felling as Patrick and Ellen Peters.
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Name: Patrick Henry
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 11 Sep 1878
Marriage Place: St Peter's, Belfast city, Ireland, Ireland
Residence Place: 23 Springgview Street
Parish Variants Derby Street, Belfast, St. Peter's
Diocese: Down and Connor
Father: Patrick Henry
Mother: Statia McCan
Spouse: Mary A O'Neil
See https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=831229.msg7537206#msg7537206
Just to clarify…….the reason I added this link was because JulieDee doesn’t think this is the same couple.
I have recently contacted Tyne and Wear Archives, but it’s not happening quickly enough.......probably got a backlog of enquiries,
What exactly have you asked Tyne & Wear Archives to do ? You will have to pay a fee for any sort of research. They are understaffed and extremely underfunded.
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and though, like everyone else I can't find a matching civil registration of a marriage in Gateshead (or anywhere else) c 1876
this death notice (which has an address that matches for the family in 1901 and 1911) indicates he had been working in Gateshead for 35 years when he died (so he'd been there since at least c 1873)
Newcastle Evening Chronicle
13 Nov 1908, page 2, col1
Deaths
HENRY - 41 Eldon Street Gateshead, on the 10th inst.,
Patrick dearly beloved husband of Mary Henry (35 years with Allhusen's chemical works). Interment Gateshead on Sunday: lift at 2 0'clock. All friends, workmen and members of C.B.S. kindly invited. R.I.P.
Burial record
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ7-H9GD-G?i=893&cat=825277
Boo
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I have recently contacted Tyne and Wear Archives, but it’s not happening quickly enough.......probably got a backlog of enquiries,
What exactly have you asked Tyne & Wear Archives to do ? You will have to pay a fee for any sort of research. They are understaffed and extremely underfunded.
No idea what the current charges are but last time I enquired, without a specific date this would be classed as a research request and the cost was £30 (not refundable if they can't find it)
I'd suggest that if you have an LDS Family History Centre within reasonable reach, you pay then a visit as the St Joseph's register images (including marriages for the time frame you are looking for) will be available to view on their pcs.
- though IF they married there then I'd expect that it would be registered with Gateshead and there's no sign of it in either the GRO index or Gateshead Registrar's index on their website.
Boo
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Huge thank you everyone for all your help, yes , I did find Patrick Henry age 20 in Gateshead in 1871,
(re him working for the same chemical firm for 35 years) You have given me very helpful suggestions, such as the local to me LDS family history centre, and Free BMD index......it is back to the drawing board for me.....another thing Mary said on the 1911 census was that they had been married for 35 years, and so I counted back making it 1876, for the wedding, but Patrick died in 1908 so perhaps I should have been counting back from that year ?!!!
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Sometimes people counted back to just before the first child was born and said they had been married then even if they never were.
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I think most of us would have tried a wider time frame (and I tried all of England & Wales, plus I checked Scotland's People). If you can get to an FHC to look at St Joseph's Registers then this link shows you what they have for there.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/331871?availability=Family%20History%20Library
it would be the 5th item on that you would need to look at. NB the lack of a magnifying glass icon on that line means they are not indexed and the key above the camera icon means they are not viewable from home but will be in an LDS FHC computer. Be aware that it will take time to look through and the writing on these registers may not be the best.
I'd go look anyway, at worst you'll then know for sure IF they are in there or not :-)
Boo