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Title: Catherine Marriner b. Abt 1815, Longtown, Arthuret, Cumberland
Post by: KBRC on Wednesday 10 April 24 02:02 BST (UK)

 I have a Catherine nee Marriner (born about 1815), from Longtown, Arthuret, Cumberland on one census and Camberwell Surrey on another census.  She married a William Eley (Messenger Admiralty - not sure of what that means) and had a daughter Mary Eley (1856) who is my GGG. Mary Eley's siblings were Charles and Frances). Mary Eley married Dean Gauntlett . 

I am trying to find who Catherine’s parents were.  Can anyone out there help please.   :)

Title: Re: Catherine Marriner b. Abt 1815, Longtown, Arthuret, Cumberland
Post by: QueenoftheWest on Wednesday 10 April 24 20:49 BST (UK)

Quote from: KBRC on Wednesday 10 April 24 02:02 BST (UK)

I have a Catherine nee Marriner (born about 1815), from Longtown, Arthuret, Cumberland

This seems a likely baptism:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3BW-SYW

Catherine, daughter of Fergus and Jane Marriner, baptised 25th January 1815 in Arthuret, Cumberland.

Queenie  :)

Title: Re: Catherine Marriner b. Abt 1815, Longtown, Arthuret, Cumberland
Post by: QueenoftheWest on Wednesday 10 April 24 21:28 BST (UK)

There is a marriage on 20th March 1810 between Fergus Marrinear [sic] and Jane Norman in Kirklinton, Cumberland.

I can't find an obvious marriage between William and Catherine to confirm her father's name.

It looks like their first may have been Jane Mary Eley, born in 1843 in Cumberland, but died as an infant:
ELEY, JANE  MARY     MARRINER 
GRO Reference: 1843  D Quarter in CARLISLE  Volume 25  Page 70

Then they moved to London:

ELEY, WILLIAM       MARRINER 
GRO Reference: 1845  D Quarter in SAINT GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE  Volume 01  Page 28

Queenie  :)

Title: Re: Catherine Marriner b. Abt 1815, Longtown, Arthuret, Cumberland
Post by: amondg on Thursday 11 April 24 09:20 BST (UK)

Following on all at St George Hanover Square

Charles 1848
Frances 1850
Catherine 1852  died 1854 age 1
Mary 1856

Title: Re: Catherine Marriner b. Abt 1815, Longtown, Arthuret, Cumberland
Post by: amondg on Thursday 11 April 24 09:54 BST (UK)

Found so far
Parents Fergus and Jane Marriner nee Norman

Mary Jane 1810
Charles 1812
Joseph John 1812 _no indication they are twins
Ellinor 1815
Catherine 1815   - no indication they are twins
William 1817
James 1820
Thomas 1822

The first 3 are at Beaumont Cumberland

Title: Re: Catherine Marriner b. Abt 1815, Longtown, Arthuret, Cumberland
Post by: KBRC on Friday 12 April 24 00:16 BST (UK)

Thank you everyone for your help and for picking up that one sibling of Mary Eley’s died at aged 1 - didn’t pick that up.
I also have this snippet of information from my grandfather’s notes that Mary Gauntlett (nee Eley) came from the family of the Duke of Leinster also Earl of Kildare. Not even sure how I would go about trying to trace this?  There is some link with Norman-Irish, perhaps FitzGerald.  Perhaps some illegitimacy along the line, or someone trying to say that she came from a ‘good family’.  Who knows.

Title: Re: Catherine Marriner b. Abt 1815, Longtown, Arthuret, Cumberland
Post by: amondg on Friday 12 April 24 05:44 BST (UK)

Have you traced William Eley ?. Census states he was born North Allerton Yorkshire.

Baptism of Mary he was a Messenger
Baptism of Frances he was a Valet

When Frances married William is listed as a Clerk at the Admiralty.

Title: Re: Catherine Marriner b. Abt 1815, Longtown, Arthuret, Cumberland
Post by: LizzieL on Friday 12 April 24 08:02 BST (UK)

Has anyone found William in 1851? If I have found the right family, he is not with Catherine and the children. Catherine describes herself as butler's wife

Title: Re: Catherine Marriner b. Abt 1815, Longtown, Arthuret, Cumberland
Post by: LizzieL on Friday 12 April 24 11:41 BST (UK)

Quote from: KBRC on Friday 12 April 24 00:16 BST (UK)

I also have this snippet of information from my grandfather’s notes that Mary Gauntlett (nee Eley) came from the family of the Duke of Leinster also Earl of Kildare. Not even sure how I would go about trying to trace this?  There is some link with Norman-Irish, perhaps FitzGerald.  Perhaps some illegitimacy along the line, or someone trying to say that she came from a ‘good family’.  Who knows.

If there is an Irish connection, my first thought would be it would be from Mary's grandfather Fergus.

he appears on both 1841 and 1851 censuses on his own (In 1851 he is recorded as widower) so it looks as if Jane died before 1841 and all the children have flown the nest. In 1841 he is recorded as born in county and in 1851 as born in Longtown.
there is a William Marriner in Longtown in 1861 (with baby son Fergus)  who fits with William the son of Fergus and Jane.

Title: Re: Catherine Marriner b. Abt 1815, Longtown, Arthuret, Cumberland
Post by: LizzieL on Friday 12 April 24 11:43 BST (UK)

Fergus baptised 17 Jan 1789 in Arthuret s/o William and Mary nee Bradshaw

Title: Re: Catherine Marriner b. Abt 1815, Longtown, Arthuret, Cumberland
Post by: LizzieL on Friday 12 April 24 11:51 BST (UK)

William and Mary also baptised a son called William in 1785, he died in 1849 age 64, but cannot find burial for William snr

Title: Re: Catherine Marriner b. Abt 1815, Longtown, Arthuret, Cumberland
Post by: KBRC on Tuesday 18 June 24 05:03 BST (UK)

Hi Re:  Has anyone found William in 1851? If I have found the right family, he is not with Catherine and the children. Catherine describes herself as butler's wife.

Where did you find this information please. As I haven’t found this.  Yes have occupations of Valet and Messenger in Admiralty.

Thanks

Title: Re: Catherine Marriner b. Abt 1815, Longtown, Arthuret, Cumberland
Post by: KBRC on Tuesday 18 June 24 05:09 BST (UK)

Re Frances Eley marrying a William - do you have the link for this?  Thanks?