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Title: Dating Old Photo Album - Storey side
Post by: clmagpie on Saturday 06 April 24 11:38 BST (UK)
Hello,

I recently came into possession of an old photo album from my paternal grandmother's side of the family. There are about 50 photos in all. Luckily, my great-great-grandfather wrote down who some of the people are.

The majority seem to have been taken in the 1870s, going off who is shown and ages of others.

I've attached one I'm curious about. I'd like to know thoughts on dates, etc. There is nothing on the reverse, no photographer's marks or anything. The photo is approx 10cm by 6cm.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Title: Re: Dating Old Photo Album - Storey side
Post by: Wiggy on Saturday 06 April 24 20:30 BST (UK)
My guess is 1860s

Wiggy
Title: Re: Dating Old Photo Album - Storey side
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 07 April 24 02:59 BST (UK)
 ;D
It looks a little like a wedding occaision.  the woman with posy and floral hair decorations.

An age difference between the the couple (if he is the bridegroom)

Sue

ADDING.  There is to me some similarity in the faces of the two.

Maybe he is her father?
Title: Re: Dating Old Photo Album - Storey side
Post by: Neale1961 on Sunday 07 April 24 05:52 BST (UK)
I thought it might be a wedding photo too, due to the woman holding floral posy.

With a better quality, high resolution scan, the photo would come up so well after work by the talented restorers on this forum.
Title: Re: Dating Old Photo Album - Storey side
Post by: clmagpie on Sunday 07 April 24 10:40 BST (UK)
Thanks all for the responses.

Wiggy - thank you. I did think it looked older than the others in the album.

sparrett & Neal1961 - Exact same thinking as me when I saw the posy. The age difference has me stumped, but I do think there is a similarity in their faces. The roundness of the chin, the nose...

As for a better quality scan... I'll see what I can do!

I have a lot of other photos I'd appreciate some thoughts on. What's the best way to do that? Should I share them in this thread, or create a new post?

Thanks all!
Title: Re: Dating Old Photo Album - Storey side
Post by: Neale1961 on Sunday 07 April 24 10:59 BST (UK)
I’d probably start a new post for a new photo.
Title: Re: Dating Old Photo Album - Storey side
Post by: Neale1961 on Sunday 07 April 24 11:16 BST (UK)
Another thought - in case it helps with working out who it is.
If it is a wedding photo, I think the bride is an older woman, maybe 30s - 40s. Maybe a second marriage for her?
The man is really quite elderly, maybe 80s.
Title: Re: Dating Old Photo Album - Storey side
Post by: jim1 on Sunday 07 April 24 11:29 BST (UK)
What you have have is a copy of an Ambrotype.
They were in use throughout the 1850's & into the early 60's.
I would suggest by the style of clothing of both that this is 1850's.
As an aside Ambrotypes were collodion positives & as such no negative was produced.
This was because the dark areas came out dark & light areas light.
The glass medium used is what you see in the photo.
The downside of Ambrotypes is what you get is a mirror image & you can tell this by his
waistcoat which appears buttoned the wrong side.
Title: Re: Dating Old Photo Album - Storey side
Post by: clmagpie on Sunday 07 April 24 12:20 BST (UK)
Here is what think is a better scan. Sorry, I'm a novice at this, so I hope it's alright.

That's very interesting, thank you, Jim.

I'm going to be spending the rest of the weekend looking through my research to possibly put some names to these faces. They don't make it easy, do they?

Thanks all
Title: Re: Dating Old Photo Album - Storey side
Post by: jim1 on Sunday 07 April 24 12:32 BST (UK)
You won't get a better scan because although Ambro's were very clear
there was some loss in definition when copied to albumin prints.
In addition I don't believe this is a married couple as it would be highly
unusual for a married woman not to have her left hand in a prominent position
showing her wedding ring.
Note: her left hand is holding the posy as this is in reverse (see previous post).
Title: Re: Dating Old Photo Album - Storey side
Post by: Neale1961 on Sunday 07 April 24 12:38 BST (UK)
Can I suggest you change the title of your thread to “ Restore and Date  Old Photo Album …. “
That way the restorers will be alerted to your photo.
Title: Re: Dating Old Photo Album - Storey side
Post by: clmagpie on Sunday 07 April 24 13:55 BST (UK)
Thank you for sharing your knowledge, jim1. It's very insightful and good to know.

Good idea, Neale1961. I don't think I'm able to change the name of the title? It doesn't seem to give me the option.

Thanks all.
Title: Re: Dating Old Photo Album - Storey side
Post by: McGroger on Monday 08 April 24 04:50 BST (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat, clmagpie.

Here’s my try at a restore. In cropping the image I’ve made the dimensions about 10X12.

Could it be the same man as in your other photo (17higherdpirs)? If so, he looks a little less full in the face in this one (16rs), a bit more drawn. Could his wife have died in between and this is a second wife or (unmarried?) daughter perhaps?

Peter
Title: Re: Dating Old Photo Album - Storey side
Post by: McGroger on Monday 08 April 24 05:00 BST (UK)
Just a smaller version to see them properly.
Peter
Title: Re: Dating Old Photo Album - Storey side
Post by: Treetotal on Monday 08 April 24 11:35 BST (UK)
Their facial features are similar so I would suggest that they could be Father and Daughter.
Carol
Title: Re: Dating Old Photo Album - Storey side
Post by: clmagpie on Monday 08 April 24 14:06 BST (UK)
McGroger - Thank you so much! You've made it so much clearer. You can really see the features of their faces.

I'm not sure about it being the same man as the other photo (17higherdpirs), I can't see much of a resemblance, but I'm open to all opinions. Thank you.

Treetotal - That's my current way of thinking, too. I just wish my great-great-grandfather had identified them! Thank you.
Title: Re: Dating Old Photo Album - Storey side
Post by: annmck on Tuesday 09 April 24 02:05 BST (UK)
I see that “posy of flowers” as a wee black puppy on her lap!
Title: Re: Dating Old Photo Album - Storey side
Post by: sparrett on Tuesday 09 April 24 02:32 BST (UK)
I see that “posy of flowers” as a wee black puppy on her lap!

Now you say that, I can see a little doggy head/face.

If it is .......Was it usual to put anilmas in a photo of this type?
Title: Re: Dating Old Photo Album - Storey side
Post by: jim1 on Tuesday 09 April 24 10:59 BST (UK)
Because of the long exposure time animals & children could be problematic
as any movement would result in blurring.
I think it might be heather.
Title: Re: Dating Old Photo Album - Storey side
Post by: clmagpie on Tuesday 09 April 24 21:22 BST (UK)
Funnily enough when my mother saw the photo she thought the same. But I couldn't see a wee black dog no matter how hard I tried!