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My current and ongoing blocker is
Thomas Chettoe (Chetto, Chettow, Chettowe)
B: abt 1540 Shropshire, England
D: 1622 Wem, Shropshire, England
Currently I have Thomas Chettoe's wife as:
Anne Butcher (Butgher)
B: 30 Jun 1540
D: 1609
I have found conflicting results on ancestry for Thomas' wife but also I'd love to know anything at all about the man or any information connecting him further back in time to other Chettoes. I'd be incredibly greatful if anyone was able to look up information on him and could let me know what you find.
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I have a particular interest in 16th- and 17th-century family history, but it is a often a difficult period for research. Parish registers were introduced in 1538, but many do not go back this far. Even the ones that survive often have ripped pages or handwriting that has faded and is no longer legible etc.
A Thomas Chettow, labourer, was buried on 28th January 1622 in Wem. The burial record does not provide an age at death.
On February 4th 1622/3, the will of a Thomas Chettowe of Wem, husbandman, was proved. The will was written several years earlier, on the last day of July in 1619.
Within this will, he mentions several family members:
- His son, Lawrence Chettowe.
- His son, Thomas Chettowe.
- His sister, Elizabeth Chettowe.
- His now wife, Ellin Chettowe. To me, the use of 'now' indicates that he had been previously married.
- His son by Ellin, William Chettowe.
His will and detailed inventory of his estate can be viewed on FindMyPast.
There is a marriage between a Thomas Chetto, labourer, and Elin Thomas on 19th September 1618 in Wem.
Thomas and Ellin appear to have had:
- William (1619-1619)
- William (1621-)
The Wem parish register I am looking at seems to begin in 1583, and many of the early pages are seriously damaged. I can see several baptisms of children of a Thomas Chetto, starting from 1583 and ending in 1595 (I think; the dates are not particular clear). I think some of the baptisms are missing, but I can see evidence he had at least the following children with his previous wife: Anne (2), Elizabeth, Lawrence, Robert, along with the Thomas mentioned in his will. On Lawrence's baptism, he is called Thomas Chetto Jr., which may suggest that his father was called Thomas.
Unfortunately, the baptisms also do not provide his wife's name. There is a marriage between a Thomas Chetwall and Anne Vaughan in 1568 in Loppington, but this does strike me as rather early.
Anne, wife of Thomas Chetto, was buried on 2nd July 1609.
The will of a William Chetto of Wem, who died in 1614, mentions his brother Thomas.
Queenie :)
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That sounds really promising thank you! I will look into that now!
EDIT: Just wanted to expand on the brief response I gave earlier and thank you once again, I found the will on FindMyPast and have just spent some time going over it with my dad searching for more clues and enjoying the exercise of finding letter patterns to fit the puzzle of working words out. My dad pointed out that the language useage in the will points to Thomas being a Puritan, and that confirmed things he (my dad) had looked into in the past that were also connected with our family history. You've connected some more dots and helped bring a few more members of the family back into the fold!
I hope it is ok per the rules of this section to leave the post as open incase anyone is able to help break the initial querry of the 1540 barrier back any further.
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https://www.melocki.org.uk/salop/WemPart1.html Chettoe 84 matches, Chetwood 5 matches, Chetall 1, Chitto 2, Chittall 1, Chetoe 1.
https://www.melocki.org.uk/salop/WemPart2.html Chettoe 37 matches, Chetwood 6 matches.
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Hi,
Thomas Chettoe (Chetto, Chettow, Chettowe)
B: abt 1540 Shropshire, England
D: 1622 Wem, Shropshire, England
Currently I have Thomas Chettoe's wife as:
Anne Butcher (Butgher)
B: 30 Jun 1540
D: 1609
Does ancestry list the source for the marriage to Anne Butcher?
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I don't know if this is significant, but there's a Thomas Cheto of Whitchurch (Salop), butcher, recorded in 1427. This is more than 100 years earlier, but less than 10 miles from Wem.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9150613
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I don't know if this is significant, but there's a Thomas Cheto of Whitchurch (Salop), butcher, recorded in 1427. This is more than 100 years earlier, but less than 10 miles from Wem.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9150613
Fantastic thank you! and it so happens the document is free to download so this will join my records. now to fill the gap in between Thomas and Thomas, no doubt with a John, William or an additional Thomas, great find Vance.
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Hi,
Thomas Chettoe (Chetto, Chettow, Chettowe)
B: abt 1540 Shropshire, England
D: 1622 Wem, Shropshire, England
Currently I have Thomas Chettoe's wife as:
Anne Butcher (Butgher)
B: 30 Jun 1540
D: 1609
Does ancestry list the source for the marriage to Anne Butcher?
I've been workshopping several different options at the moment and have settled on my current version of:
Thomas Chettoe
1540 - 1622
His sister Elizabeth Chetto
His wives:
Ellin Thomas
? - ?
Anne Chetto
1540-1609
And with Anne I currently have attached:
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name Anne Butgher
Gender Female
Baptism Date 30 Jun 1540
Baptism Place Rushbury,Shropshire,England
FHL Film Number 510672
England, Select Marriages, 1538-1973
Name Anne Vaughan
Gender Female
Marriage Date 10 Oct 1568
Marriage Place Loppington, Shropshire,England
Spouse Thomas Chetwall
FHL Film Number 429034
Shropshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
Name Anne Chetto
Record Type Burial
Death Date 1609
Burial Date 2 Jul 1609
Burial Place Wem, Shropshire, England
Religion Anglican
Spouse Thomas
Page number 244
Reference Number P295/A/1/1
Shropshire, England, Extracted Church of England Parish Records, 1538-1812
Name Anne
Gender Female
Record Type Burial
Death Date abt 1609
Burial Date 2 Jul 1609
Burial Place Shropshire, England
Spouse Thomas Chetto
I should probably underscore that I very much consider Anne's information to be influx as I can't be 100% certain these are correct but it's what I'm currently working with, I welcome any corrections or additional information that can be found!
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I don't know if this is significant, but there's a Thomas Cheto of Whitchurch (Salop), butcher, recorded in 1427. This is more than 100 years earlier, but less than 10 miles from Wem.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9150613
I'm impressed by that find. That is the earliest Chettoe I have seen. He could be related to the Wem family as they are places geographically close to each other. Also more likely related than the Chatto of Scotland, or the Chetwode of Buckinghamshire.
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I don't know if this is significant, but there's a Thomas Cheto of Whitchurch (Salop), butcher, recorded in 1427. This is more than 100 years earlier, but less than 10 miles from Wem.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9150613
I'm impressed by that find. That is the earliest Chettoe I have seen. He could be related to the Wem family as they are places geographically close to each other. Also more likely related than the Chatto of Scotland, or the Chetwode of Buckinghamshire.
Same here! I've tried to search around the name to find additional records but by far it is the earliest I have seen as well! I've downloaded the pdf and cleaned it up and sized it up to make it easier to read to see if I can extract more information!
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TooManyJohns,
Could you possibly copy and paste the Personal Message I sent you of the muster for Wem and Whitchurch, on this thread. As I think it shows a connection to Chettoe's in both towns, the 100 years time frame is the best we might get.
Thanks, Alberbury.
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TooManyJohns,
Could you possibly copy and paste the Personal Message I sent you of the muster for Wem and Whitchurch, on this thread. As I think it shows a connection to Chettoe's in both towns, the 100 years time frame is the best we might get.
Thanks, Alberbury.
Sure this is what you sent:
"The furthest I can get back is the 1538 muster which was a red book in Shropshire archives. The muster was the Bradford hundred held by Sir Thomas Newport for King Henry VIII. Chettoe of Wem and Chetwood of Whitchurch. So they could be born from anytime around 1500.
https://www.shropshirearchives.org.uk/collections/search/page/2/?s=Muster+Rolls&qa%5Bkeyword_reference_type%5D=0&qa%5Btitle%5D&qa%5Bperson%5D&qa%5Bplace%5D&qa%5Bsubject%5D&qa%5Bformat%5D&qa%5Bidentifier%5D&qa%5Bdate_from%5D&qa%5Bdate_to%5D&cbav=2&cbadvsearchquery
Corrections and additions to Muster rolls of the Hundreds of Bradford, Munslow, etc. A.D. 1532-40.
Muster rolls of the Hundreds of Bradford, Munslow, etc., A.D., 1532-40."
and your photocopy of the muster in another message:
"Hi,
Found my phoyocopy of the muster.
My notes.
Book History of K.S.L.I. Green
Vol 4 Shropshire militia and volunteers
1539 Muster taken before Thomas Newport and Wm Yonge at Newport 31 March 30 Henry VIII of the one part of the hundred of Bradford, Salop 1539.
136 Prese wth hambletis.
Ric' Chetwall
Thomas Jatwall
Page 36
120 Wemme able men wthout harnesse
wylliam gryffe John lowsky
Ric' laurens nicolas wrythe
John Growme John hichyn
Wylliam lee Marys dauyd
John foxe william flawellyng
Roger lowskey Robert Witflyn
wylliam bentley Ric' gozth
Ric beswyke John cowper
halyn sherot John hyckryn
Thomas thurbyn Ric' stocryn
Robert sherot John holbroke
Roger hine wylliam wryth
Alin dikes John tayler
wyllium Cowper John moris
Edward watkys John addams
wylliam ashe Thomas Catstre
william farrall Ric' maneryng
Roger chetwall Thomas maneryng
humfrey Elynson Robert maneryng"
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Thankyou.
Alberbury.
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You’re welcome, also just discovered this blog that talks about the incident related to the national archive document.
Thankyou.
https://venablesancestry.wordpress.com/introduction/william-venables-12th-baron/ (https://venablesancestry.wordpress.com/introduction/william-venables-12th-baron/)
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How widely to cast the net in terms of spelling variants? Chetwall and Chetwood have been mentioned above. Are they possible variants of Chettow?
When I search for Chetwood, the results are mostly from around Bucks, but there's one a bit closer, from Wordelston or Worleston, Cheshire, about 10 or 12 miles from Whitchurch. This is from Common Pleas:
1543 Chetwode, Roger, of Wordelston, Cheshire, gent
index
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/Indices/CP40Indices/CP40no1116Cty.htm
original, second entry:
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/aalt1/H8/CP40no1116/aCP40no1116fronts/IMG_0891.htm
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How widely to cast the net in terms of spelling variants? Chetwall and Chetwood have been mentioned above. Are they possible variants of Chettow?
When I search for Chetwood, the results are mostly from around Bucks, but there's one a bit closer, from Wordelston or Worleston, Cheshire, about 10 or 12 miles from Whitchurch. This is from Common Pleas:
1543 Chetwode, Roger, of Wordelston, Cheshire, gent
index
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/Indices/CP40Indices/CP40no1116Cty.htm
original, second entry:
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/aalt1/H8/CP40no1116/aCP40no1116fronts/IMG_0891.htm
My current research has the variations of the surname up to over 80, but this is since my research began so that are likely some I could remove now but I will list some of the most common ones now:
Chettoe
Chetto
Cheto
Cheltoe
Chettow
Chettowe
Chattoe
Chatto
Chetwood
Chettwood
Chetwode
Chettwode
Chetwude
Chittoe
Chitto
Chettall
Chetal
Chettwall
Chitwall
Chittwall
Basically every double t version has a single t variant as well and they tend to dance around the same phonetic approximations of "Chettoe" throughout time.
There's a passage in The History of Wem that made me genuinely laugh out loud when I first came across it in the early part of the surname study I've been conducting:
"It is remarkable how this family varied their surname: at first it was Chitwall, afterwards Chetall, and at last Chettoe."
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I suppose you've seen this? This is from the Visitation of Cheshire, for Chetwood of Worleston.
https://books.google.fi/books?redir_esc=y&id=hlYN_LmEu8YC&q=chetwood#v=snippet&q=chetwood&f=false
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I suppose you've seen this? This is from the Visitation of Cheshire, for Chetwood of Worleston.
https://books.google.fi/books?redir_esc=y&id=hlYN_LmEu8YC&q=chetwood#v=snippet&q=chetwood&f=false (https://books.google.fi/books?redir_esc=y&id=hlYN_LmEu8YC&q=chetwood#v=snippet&q=chetwood&f=false)
Wow no I had not seen that yet no, exciting times you're helping us push things back a decent way now!
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This may be a better link:
https://books.google.fi/books?hl=en&id=hlYN_LmEu8YC&redir_esc=y
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This may be a better link:
https://books.google.fi/books?hl=en&id=hlYN_LmEu8YC&redir_esc=y
Thanks I went direct to googlebooks and downloaded the PDF to extract the page!
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Have been going through my folder of photocopies and notes.
I have a photocopy of the Shropshire Archaeological Society book at Shropshire Archives. Newport, Salop. Page 173. It is the subsidy roll of 1327.
Listed men for Newport, Salop.
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Will'o de Chatewall' iij
Just tried a download from archive.org of
https://dn790004.ca.archive.org/0/items/transactionsofsh21shro/transactionsofsh21shro.pdf
Transactions of the Shropshire Archaeological and Natural History Society.
Download has not worked very well, old and slow computer.
Thought I would look for men listed in Wem or Whitchurch.
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Have been going through my folder of photocopies and notes.
I have a photocopy of the Shropshire Archaeological Society book at Shropshire Archives. Newport, Salop. Page 173. It is the subsidy roll of 1327.
Listed men for Newport, Salop.
s d
Will'o de Chatewall' iij
Just tried a download from archive.org of
https://dn790004.ca.archive.org/0/items/transactionsofsh21shro/transactionsofsh21shro.pdf
Transactions of the Shropshire Archaeological and Natural History Society.
Download has not worked very well, old and slow computer.
Thought I would look for men listed in Wem or Whitchurch.
I found a similar thing with the "Collections for a History of Staffordshire" series the downloading and opening of the files was VERY slow but made it worth the wait (sometimes) haha!
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I found a similar thing with the "Collections for a History of Staffordshire" series the downloading and opening of the files was VERY slow but made it worth the wait (sometimes) haha!
About Chettoe?
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I found a similar thing with the "Collections for a History of Staffordshire" series the downloading and opening of the files was VERY slow but made it worth the wait (sometimes) haha!
About Chettoe?
Yes, the pain of the slow downloads was similar when I was downloading those files and looking for Chettoe references.
If you want to message me your email address I can invite you to my ancestry tree so we can compare notes more closely.
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Some digging for additional Chatewalls yielded the following, and it seems like Chatewall itself was a manor and parcel of land itself, which I think will tie in eventually to Chetal wood and the history of wem source. That's the working theory I'm building at the moment.
The Poll Taxes of 1377, 1379 and 1381: Part 2: Lincolnshire-Westmorland
Page 483
Staffordshire 1381: Cuttlestone Hundred
Radulphus de Chatewall - cult' - Agn' ux' - 2s 0d
Transactions of the Shropshire Archaeological and Natural History Society
Volume 30
Page 217
Adam de Chatewall
Publications of the Dugdale Society - Volume 17
Page 1
Willelmus Mulward de Chatewall
Registrum Ludowici de Charltone, episcopi herefordensis
Hugh Frensch de Chatewall
The Statute Merchant Roll of Coventry, 1392-1416
Page 1
Willelmus Mulward de Chatewall
Transactions of The Shropshire Archaelogical and Natural History Society - 2nd Series Vol. IV
Page 315
Subsidy Roll of 1327
CHATEWALL
[CHATWALL, 37 Parish of Cardington. This was held half by the Knights Templars, and half by the Draitons. In 1255, William, son of Alan de Draiton held half a hide here under Gilbert de Buckenhull of Bucknell. William's estate passed to his sister Petronilla, wife of John de la Lee. Later it was obtained by Bishop Burnell, and a
moiety of Chatwall is mentioned among the estates of Edward Burnell in 1315.]
Transactions of The Shropshire Archaelogical and Natural History Society - 2nd Series Vol. I
Page 173
Subsidy Roll of 1327
Wil'o de Chatewall' iij
Page 191
Subsidy Roll of 1327
Thom' le Chatour
Nottinghamshire - Somersetshire By Thomas Cox, Anthony Hall, Robert Morden · 1738
Shropshire
Page 648
Cantlop, or Cantelthorp, a Manor of Sir Edward Burnel's, the laft Heir Male of the Family of Burnel's, who left it to this Grand-daughters, as the former Mañor and divers others were.
Chatwall, or Chatewall, the Manor and Eftate of the Burnell Family, which from them paffed to the Lovells ; and being forfeited, was given by King Henry VIII. to the Norfolk Family, as
fome other Manors were, of which we have spoken above.
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Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem and Other Analogous Documents Preserved in the Public Record Office Volume 21
Page 374
Chatwall (Chatewall, Chatewalle, Chatewill, Chatwulle) [in Cardington], Salop, 663 manor, 663
Calendar of the Patent Rolls Preserved in the Public Record Office
page 79, 80, 85
Chatewall
Hugh Burnell, knight, lord of Holdgate and of Weoley:[Weoley Castle was in Northfield...
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/57ffa3c7-4ca7-463b-9c8e-1011175936d8
Hugh Burnell, knight, lord of Holdgate and of Weoley:[Weoley Castle was in Northfield (Worcs.) and was part of the inheritance of Joyce Botetourt; it was the subject of a special settlement on Burnell in 1386. It passed eventually to the Berkeley coheir: VCH Worcs. iii. 194-5.] and Robert Rikedon of Witham, Robert Darcy of Maldon, William Burley, David Holbeche, Richard Fox of Haselbech, Robert Molyngton, esquires, John Whitside, clerk, John Babelake, William Loudham, esquires, William Blunt, clerk, William Poynous and Nicholas Wilkes. 20 Sept. 2 Hen. V
Hugh has granted to Robert and the others [named] the manors of Wottone, Suttone, Corftone, Abbotone, Clea St. Margaret, Eudone Burnell, Holgote, Thongelond, Millynghope, Russhebury, Hopeboudelers, Chatewall, Wolstantone, Smethecote, Longedone, Presteswestone, Nortone, Condovere, Actone Reyner, Uppyntone, Tasseley, Routone, Ambastone, Astwall, Belleswardyn, Benethale, Actone Pigot, Ramesherst, Pulliley and Longefelde Cheyne, and half of the manors of Cantelhope, Streford and Actone Burnell with all their members [etc.] (Salop.) except for the lands which were of William Spark in Sutton, and also all of Hugh's lands and holdings in the vills of Salop and Bruggenorth in the said county, and the advowsons of Chetyngton, Thongelond, Russhebury, Wolstanton, Smethecote, Acton Pigot and Acton Burnell; the manors of Suckley, Wykeburnell, Brightlehampton, Snoddesbury, Broghtonehaket and Russelhalle with their members [etc.] (Worcs.), with the advowson of Broghtonhaket; the manors of Bidford and Brome Burnell (Warws.); the manors of Wolvernehamptone, Willenhale and Billestone (Staffs.); the manor and advowson of Magna Cheverell, the advowson of Fenysutton and a rent of 20 marks from the manor of Budestone (Wilts.); the manor of Compton Dauno (Som.); all of his lands [etc.] in Bristolum; the manor of Rysyndone Basset and the advowson of Wike (Glos.); the manor and advowson of Roulandryght (Oxon.); the manor of Crawele (Bucks.); the manors of Walkefare, Waltham Pouwers, Lachindon and Stanstede Montfechet (Essex), and all of the lands and holdings called Toppyngho le hath and la plume in Hatfeld Peverell and Borham in the said county, and the advowson of Magna Holand; the advowson of Haselbeche (Northants.); the manor of Wikham (Kent); an annual farm of 10 marks paid by Bermondsey Abbey for the manor of Rotherhethe (Surrey); and an annual rent of 10 marks paid by John atte Wode for lands and holdings in Hachesham; to them, their heirs and assigns.
Witnesses: William Bourghchere, Gerard Braybrook, William Coggeshale, knights, of Essex, William Neuport, knight, John Swynarton, esquire, of Staffordshire, Thomas Cru, John Trocmarton of Worcestershire, Robert Corbet, Thomas Neuport, John Wynesby, of Shropshire, John Wilcotes of Oxfordshire, Walter Beauchamp, knight, of Wiltshire.
At: Acton Burnell.
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Demise by Robert Rykedon, of Wytham, Robert Darsy, of Maldon, William Boerley, David...
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C5886857
Demise by Robert Rykedon, of Wytham, Robert Darsy, of Maldon, William Boerley, David Holbeche, Richard Fox, of Haselbeche, Robert Molyngton, esquire, John Whitesyde, clerk, John Bablake, William Londham, esquires, William Blunt, clerk, William Poynour and Nicholas Wylkes, to Hugh, lord of Burnell, knight, lord of Wyleye, for his life, of the manors of Wotton, Onebury, Walton, Sutton Parva, Corston, Abbetou, Ewdon, Burnell, Benthale, Holgot, Brookehampton, Clec St Margaret's, Millyngehop, Russhebury, Astwalle, Hopebondelers, Chatwalle, Wolstanton, Smethecote, Longedon, Presteweston, Condovere, Acton Reigner, Uppynton, Tassheley, Routon and Ambaston, Briggenorth, Acton Burnell, and Acton Pygot; also messuages, lands, and rent, etc, in Chetyngton, Rameshurst, Pulleley, Longefeld, Sallop, Benthale, Streford, Wyggecote Parva, Millyngehop and Rowton, and a moiety of the manors of Cantelhope, Russhebury, Streford, Chatewalle, and Rowton, and a third of the manor of Smethecote, and the advowsons of the churches of Wolstanton, Acton Burnell, Acton Pygot, Russhebury, Smethecote and Chetyngton, with other manors and lands, etc., which they had of the grant of the said Hugh lord of Burnell, in the county of Salop; except the manors of Bromfeld, Auldon, Pycheford, Eton, Thongelonde, Norton by Condore, and lands in Sutton Parva in Cornedale; demise also to the said Hugh of the manor of Wolverhampton, co. Stafford, for his life; with remainder to John Talbot, knight, lord of Fournyvalle, John his son, and Katherine, one of the daughters and heiresses of Edward Burnell, knight, son of the said Hugh, and the heirs of the bodies of the said John and Katherine, and in default of such heirs to the heirs of the said Sir Hugh after the death of the said John Talbot. Witnesses:—Thomas Talbot, Adam Peshale, Richard Lakun, knights, and others (named). Monday before Midsummer day. 4 Henry V. Shropshire, Staffordshire
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Here is a John Chatwall, of Prese, (Prees, Salop), husbandman, a defendant for debt in Common Pleas in 1526.
Index:
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/Indices/CP40Indices/CP40no1049/CP40no1049Def.htm
Original, first entry:
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT3/H8/CP40no1049/aCP40no1049fronts/IMG_0767.htm
I wonder if this might connect with Chetwood of Worleston in the Visitation of Cheshire.
https://books.google.fi/books?hl=en&id=hlYN_LmEu8YC&redir_e;sc=y
This had Thomas Chetwood, "of Rees, Cheshire", his son Roger "of Rees", and two other sons, John and Rafe/Ralph.
I can't find Rees, Cheshire, but there is Prees, Salop, between Wem and Whitchurch and adjacent to both, so I think this is the place meant in the Visitation. There are few dates given in the Visitation, but the Common Pleas records often help locate people in time.
The people in the Visitation are presumably gentry, with a Coat of Arms. But, whatever their status later in the 16th century, they weren't necessarily gentry two or three generations earlier. Gentry status was usually defined by landholding, and a lot of land came on the market after the Dissolution of the Monasteries.
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Here is a John Chatwall, of Prese, (Prees, Salop), husbandman, a defendant for debt in Common Pleas in 1526.
Index:
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/Indices/CP40Indices/CP40no1049/CP40no1049Def.htm
Original, first entry:
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT3/H8/CP40no1049/aCP40no1049fronts/IMG_0767.htm
I wonder if this might connect with Chetwood of Worleston in the Visitation of Cheshire.
https://books.google.fi/books?hl=en&id=hlYN_LmEu8YC&redir_e;sc=y
This had Thomas Chetwood, "of Rees, Cheshire", his son Roger "of Rees", and two other sons, John and Rafe/Ralph.
I can't find Rees, Cheshire, but there is Prees, Salop, between Wem and Whitchurch and adjacent to both, so I think this is the place meant in the Visitation. There are few dates given in the Visitation, but the Common Pleas records often help locate people in time.
The people in the Visitation are presumably gentry, with a Coat of Arms. But, whatever their status later in the 16th century, they weren't necessarily gentry two or three generations earlier. Gentry status was usually defined by landholding, and a lot of land came on the market after the Dissolution of the Monasteries.
Another great find! Now if we could link the Salopians with the Cheshire side we would have found the chetwode connection! That chitwode tree you linked before has that Rafe and John you mentioned in it!
Edit: this checks out because in the 1651 survey of Wem in The History of Wem John Chettoe had to sell all of his land and he seemed to own a sizeable amount, because he went bankrupt, so that could have been when the downfall of the Chettoes “Gentry Arc” might have been hah! So we could try to tie all those pieces together to construct that narrative.
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Great Chatwell, Newport TF10 9BJ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chatwell
Another option for the surname to be taken from.
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Another good find.
John Chatwall, of Prese, (Prees, Salop), husbandman, a defendant for debt in Common Pleas in 1526.
I wonder if this might connect with Chetwood of Worleston in the Visitation of Cheshire.
https://books.google.fi/books?hl=en&id=hlYN_LmEu8YC&redir_e;sc=y
This had Thomas Chetwood, "of Rees, Cheshire", his son Roger "of Rees", and two other sons, John and Rafe/Ralph.
There is a place called Reaseheath not far from Worleston.
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https://www.shropshirearchives.org.uk/collections/search?s=Chetwood&qa%5Bkeyword_reference_type%5D=0&qa%5Btitle%5D=&qa%5Bperson%5D=&qa%5Bplace%5D=&qa%5Bsubject%5D=&qa%5Bformat%5D=&qa%5Bidentifier%5D=&qa%5Bdate_from%5D=&qa%5Bdate_to%5D=&cbav=2&cbadvsearchquery=
Chetwood
https://www.shropshirearchives.org.uk/collections/search?s=Chettoe&qa%5Bkeyword_reference_type%5D=0&qa%5Btitle%5D=&qa%5Bperson%5D=&qa%5Bplace%5D=&qa%5Bsubject%5D=&qa%5Bformat%5D=&qa%5Bidentifier%5D=&qa%5Bdate_from%5D=&qa%5Bdate_to%5D=&cbav=2&cbadvsearchquery=
Chettoe
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One of the things I find quite interesting is that a lot of the name variations inevitably lead back to a manor of some kind Chetwode and Chatwalle in particular come to mind and these tend to make me much less confident as the evidence for direct connection to them tends to get ropey from then on.
Chatwalle after digging through quite a lot of National Archives and google books looks, makes me feel a lot less certain. Perhaps we should include here a list of names we would each be interested in trying to find the family connection to.
For me I'd have to include:
Chetwood
Chetwode
Chatwood
Chato
I have some evidence for them but the woodland connection is quite interesting, in the folder I linked to you which includes a lot of information, there is a PHD that references woodlands in England where it talks about lots of woodland areas with similar names which may muddy the waters considerably, but who knows it could also yield a lot more information.
Currently I'm trying to understand more about the "bore a great sway in this area" referencing our shared Chettoe heritage in The History of Wem, and have been trying to follow the land ownership back as far as I can and have been compiling lots of images to share here.
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John Chettoe married Catherine Morrey on 26 Dec 1696 Hinstock.
He is the one who "bore a great sway in this area" a gentleman, he built the maltings in Wem. Made a brankrupt 1733.
William Chettoe is his father, married to Katherine Chambre on 24 Feb 1671 Wem.
Chambre family are an interesting family in the area.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D599593
Will of Francis Chambre, Gentleman of Petton, Shropshire
Date: 14 February 1736
I think John Chettoe the Elder is mentioned in the will on page 2. Any good at transcribing old documents. Good luck TMJ.
John Chettoe was involved in the business of timber. He is mentioned in records relating to the Hills of Hawkstone. Shropshire archives link I gave will show how he is involved with the gentry of the area.
Alberbury.
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John Chettoe married Catherine Morrey on 26 Dec 1696 Hinstock.
He is the one who "bore a great sway in this area" a gentleman, he built the maltings in Wem. Made a brankrupt 1733.
William Chettoe is his father, married to Katherine Chambre on 24 Feb 1671 Wem.
Chambre family are an interesting family in the area.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D599593
Will of Francis Chambre, Gentleman of Petton, Shropshire
Date: 14 February 1736
I think John Chettoe the Elder is mentioned in the will on page 2. Any good at transcribing old documents. Good luck TMJ.
John Chettoe was involved in the business of timber. He is mentioned in records relating to the Hills of Hawkstone. Shropshire archives link I gave will show how he is involved with the gentry of the area.
Alberbury.
Cool I have all of those on my tree I have an unbroken line from me back to 1540 and then the gap and then 1427 with the recent discovery here.
Thank you for the will link! I've been getting some help from my father with reading the more complicated documents as he has done some work at a local organisation helping preserve documents so he has a better idea so I can ask his help in deciphering it. It is often a fun puzzle that involves making a mental checklist in your head of letter patterns and then it just starts to flow naturally-ish!
I've found a back and forth over the selling of land, I've found the deeds to the wem mill and lots and lots of references to the estate and selling land.
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Following the trail of the land
The History of Wem Page: 95
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczNLyc4bmj62-jMfhGVQYZTpRG4Zxu9aC88BlcXQ6hQuA57wWJKpnqq2xHFk3MoeN-NebxrOSofx2nV0MyrG971Vg-L8FRJlZEstmyxOkNH3sVrKcr8b=w2400)
The History of Wem Page: 236
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczOvNViEeYwzc6ewHSIT6lzdVre6fyV7TPTgW68cuW3Uh-aWlzrm-TM-mp3rRwGjthe9JwXZ-R02bKplBVljtXRI-7elnHbRd-WHkTNCiYjEr7GG8IDi=w2400)
The History of Wem Page: 241
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczM1Dtw-z9ENjMaf-o1WIPVxI5WXIhmHKyVdjCET6aIEqKAeo5bDq2gB8dio-CdrBdlFI165HjPMO-7gjCg9LbFeAGLDJcF-Gj2o0OwCplxOjaRr9bet=w2400)
The History of Wem Page: 242
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczMhsbPCFjPI4Zc9O-a1jR8carBDrk8bX69Hy6AP4Upyo8u_TMpzppRopPEN_zQSq3gDjyPr5SJpQc4fdlEa_UjMPNe-nZbnXYNyK8mtB4Zd2hiyTHEL=w2400)
The History of Wem Page: 260
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczOlS1AjBgIHM5XA_-eaOlvs1F7zvfSWIWE_kZiZcdsuFKsF7PB89CG9KQ8YawyqN6zXpnWD4Do-eIr76YoUfjqU1tC8fHHghp9f046Cu6KM1HRrkTqv=w2400)
The History of Wem Page: 261
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczOPGokX5orlWExGXB7NtdAbWyfPaP_lfTLTe4HqF7ty34yoKo7lxumfauIyKHyHPZ-v10z4eEj7LbFUbp7XPjqooOKZMSBRkuhovKmDvjvNb9wm6w4X=w2400)
The History of Wem Page: 267
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczNIVaQi0Dpk8tIccZAKHvxXs1XbkL9zwZ7pVRaDOBC5sP_ZMjq_fCtix88teFZcNITdfy73AT5BiReG_PyQWxp6-BIEKaVACe9fWlDP5FzVnJMjt2pW=w2400)
The History of Wem Page: 301
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczMjw0vXAenQxOCHrIG0tAllBywukegRE2SxamOuvUCcy4dghZ--jXsG9dWzk_9XByV8N8D3sZrgLwX-rteTsc1b4bBuLK5KvE_Ohav_ik9jDqu8aYHW=w2400)
The History of Wem Page: 302
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczMl1AjcR40kmYkxn1ZDzeFod0TVeYkeAVBzD0av18o3Se8cKLd5EkjgXZlys897DrXONp46hwPJnqns_vpxUR_gjKCgy8XIFrRFx3npcL5g8Bo9jVg_=w2400)
The History of Wem Page: 303
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczPNQHuA_yjElzsJ9UA7LY1yNcgpUR3OwJySJ_zzGrv7JjFw_DWxUqQjdxb6kdKFS_R-TmDfj4wqEu2EcbfFOl5WydZ5pIRjGDQh-PKsqxqMbk7A10Et=w2400)
The History of Wem Page: 305
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczNH2HX6P8vGPXvmiYCTRaRerFBXimO1VqH4z53trX0molp7g8xplR_s-KyYZaMxFXVRCsRN-SRZbTZv15jJgyJPy6vz6qpyXUPEzPIFqq7AZWB_laMx=w2400)
The History of Wem Page: 306
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczMhcHpbriUFsWiDfdyvuwcq21-zZxmoMFz3DdtS5F9_638dGvao5XGXJLR6vy-BwgZXQgTvenly54NDY3eNSb33MoR09A3DJfHjx3U99V3a55cr0mZr=w2400)
The History of Wem Page: 345
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczOzx250aZ9xNYFd03hTEFJVo028L_ayboxhUuyL64pv0kLFWvm1y8wX3k7uBACSmLGkqK1SZFLhe5BqqSb1_cVuuhSpCrd9UzfBKDSLJqlgXvHJZIj4=w2400)
1622 - Chettoe
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczMmkFhFWxlKi99IGqcle0gPLLPhj6cfGP4aqkx19imYTesBMSwZBON9F8sIZ5wcq-7uBT5fqRin7VofQeraEx__mvVS5G-baNSuuw0mz9-A7TxOe9p2=w2400)
1703 - Chettoe
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczMRgxgLTbkqQZ6AKH7fGBZ57R3X-oKKnq1WCk4qbV0BWWLUGoikgI4nyotTTV9ZDI-6_X7o5WBkt-HtOnDb8pG_e5M25eVevvysoHkDU8VKHd1eFVXV=w2400)
1721 - Chettoe
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczOXyuP4nlK3SIrxlWiVc0oY5cb12-nt6p4bHYpVZJDG98eCVARrMqmDGZ2MVnB3-_wqX878QyHkt5Jgk0OuUMh7ywrCToOuByzLN7CCbd8kgkA81EYF=w2400)
1722 - Chettoe
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczNLtA_e6_6b9KIUP36nBgJco1YMH9pSVouS1QHHNNLCmDpET0kINXOnwRNKCkPEhH16f3OGcCcDuLEVDbEqCJpT0GBGTaCFsWU9CgJFMXcEdt3RbSkH=w2400)
1722 - Chettoe 2
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczNV-uaaGGF6qqlG49d_pEBd1CMywBEDDNtIWZqhfZvYY2HpgtpZTlkoEbIb-PMTKerXJmVLiEKD3imSe1WOBIRDJG47gX0EuMT_YuvzI0j3yNRelPOH=w2400)
1722 - Chettoe 3
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczN73G-Jhs-3Yav0cacbFEyLFXuUGOhF1wofgEx1R5xth3y0cIiGWEYdrWKGxCEwjlTl05YRKGS7Igc4Wle5luKOAlhwvqUTZK0f3rBiXT1L81-5H3hL=w2400)
1722 - Chettoe 4
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczMlPu86cYqP6akj4_k7WKUK-a1ZxO9aWgMjz_8dsTCiaAfisG1gAJKGceuWVRFf3DxEIXwwT47QsDoS1CJIfNK3Ma-U60zSI3GrjTFD3JOehzyO1C1A=w2400)
1722 - Chettoe 5
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczNHA_674aAHLNuRqdcACfB-QeWnUYLYsN5poi_0FkH2v7BBosHhibBgHb_xxTiCiXrkCmHr43ymys63VBTd93jxBfSdzwc0AUDpE3Xz_yRzUZDDcP2M=w2400)
1726 - Chettoe 1
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczPaw0XiYB0lxOQFd2aAWqp8ptcWOjpLj2OmoB9K-Ri7S0x9UMIhGCvBG_X_3_VPZLlRdVR6XhO_LqigJYb2Xz5be7F3_h1SDBnQDTn-UNkvNYfFaWMD=w2400)
1726 - Chettoe 2
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczN6UqwodImO80NUwXQWc9vL8Uj-pleAvECNR9_8Nr2ArEipnEKeeJr9qjFzAFLZpjxFrVyDGUqGAkakJU8RlmfoGW0cV8A1M7NOHckjh6nOinQ2xotj=w2400)
1726 - Chettoe 3
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczM-WqhCmAz9jonB56pelhrijVWFGy8V0aseexrblz2XpKNEcfweqLh_azO4MEv7ExyTompDMYT7WAjLtzN580OYgCYYcXd0vZqWE3TyO9jHbtf1L-xA=w2400)
1733 - Chettoe 1
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczNPztx_LwBKt3z10qThtWxl_i282lg-7KVe_njqior52ow0cJFRp9OWZgpdDpXcq1Lwq4U4TTNWFiBNOiYQgiq7THkaxchTYNWyXPu08CRheze7gEa3=w2400)
1734 - Chettoe 1
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczPLtJCgC4axk02__EYBVpo6bcDF9nkUOh9MZqVdyPASB0vvcDdBtAWZxhEOpqQILwgxyVc47ZixtOQOL8W4bZGcgqjqz07b8veBYCcsCE2OZyg41UJ2=w2400)
1770 - Chettoe
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczM33O6akrw7HMqcJXi_SMAVNCevoISJ8XgMMzHGt944vQJi9k_8_CGWvl5CvzLiTl0wUlDkzbdefKJDLnVmWCZ84RBvrK8DnG9c-vfnZLyAkAG-xZRh=w2400)
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John Chettoe was involved in the business of timber. He is mentioned in records relating to the Hills of Hawkstone. Shropshire archives link I gave will show how he is involved with the gentry of the area.
Alberbury.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczPLjVDNc3cVjBGLG_qDXoV7pARwtEktkXaySNXJJHXNsYPbpKejT5piFkVzNwZnv3EuwJOMURSVcf7Jam61Ukvcws1v0KoXozf3CwwqbRmvfWw6UP1U=w2400)
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Still not confident about the Chatewalle connection but here’s some more pre-1540s references:
1316
https://www.shropshirearchives.org.uk/collections/getrecord/CCA_X6000_36_1_16183
Richard Alghmound grants a messuage in Newport to John Rondulf[/u]
"Sciant presentes" etc. Richard Alghmound of Newport grants to John Rondulf of Newport a messuage, etc. in the town of Newport between a messuage of John Rondulf on the one side , and seven acres in the feilds of Northbrom, of which three acres lie above land of Robert Savage and land of William Chatewalle and from a lane which leads towards Longemeduwe as far as Alghmondesmeduwe; and four acres lie between the land of Henry le Long and of Symon Rondulf and extend to land of Roger le Long as far as Alghmondeesmeduwe.
Witnesses: Geoffrey Rondulf, William Rondulf, Peter le Walkere, Nicholas le Cole (or Colt) and William le Herdemon.
Dated at Newport, Saturday after the feast of St. Peter, 9 Edward II, 1316.
1407
https://www.shropshirearchives.org.uk/collections/getrecord/CCA_X6000_41_25_9742
Manor of Heath: reeve's account
Manor of Heath (Hethe): Account (compotus) of John Chatewalle, reeve (prepositus or bailiff) from Michaelmas 1407 to Michaelmas 1408
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Hello friends a small lookup request for my dad via me, I was wondering if anyone would be able to help me track down the obituary / funeral notice for my relative:
Elizabeth Harriett Skelton
Married name: Elizabeth Harriett Chettoe
B: 16th April 1872, Crewe, Cheshire, England
D: 26th October 1958, Oswestry, Shropshire, England
My dad seems to remember another relative mentioning reference to her in a newspaper but he never got to read it so I don’t know if it is an obit or a funeral notice, the location would be Shropshire.
I’ve looked on several of the major family research sites and a few newspaper archives to no avail, so I appeal to my friends here once again with gratitude in advance if anyone is able to help.