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My grandaunt is listed as M married but she's using her maiden name and has a daughter Helen Beattie BA meaning adopted with both parents alive. I understand the adopted daughter has both parents still alive but why would my grandaunt be listed as married while still using her maiden name?
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Perhaps she married a man with the same surname?
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Maybe so her surname matched with Helen.
What surname did she have when she passed away?
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Perhaps she married a man with the same surname?
That's a possibility. The husband/father or whoever he is, is not in the census...just Helen and her 7-yr-old daughter Helen.
I was given a photo of her from a niece in 1987. Her image had been cut out from whoever else was in the original photo, so the husband may have left her and she kept her maiden name as well as giving the adopted daughter her maiden name??
This is the last record I can find on her...she was in her 40th year in 1921.
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Unless you know for sure who Helen’s parents were, it quite possible that Helen was her illegitimate daughter and she was concealing the fact. Something that was frequently done.
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Unless you know for sure who Helen’s parents were, it quite possible that Helen was her illegitimate daughter and she was concealing the fact. Something that was frequently done.
I think this is most likely. My grandaunt Helen was born illegitimate with parents marrying the following year.
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When was Helen junior born? ** You could look for a birth for her under Beattie surname to check.
** Sorry you said she was 7 in 1921 so born c1914
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Have you made any attempt to find either of the Helens in the 1939 Register? You give no indication as to where both Helens were born.
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Yes I am struggling a bit as don't know which area we are talking about.
Is it Scotland?
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I was going to suggest the following 1921 Scotland entries but the birth for that Helen has mmn Donaldson. I will post anyway to save anyone else going the same route :)
BEATTIE, HELEN
age 39
312/ 21/ 3
MONTROSE
ANGUS
BEATTIE, HELEN D
age 7
312/ 21/ 3
MONTROSE
ANGUS
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Is this her birth
BEATTIE, HELEN DONALDSON
Mothers maiden surname DONALDSON
F
1914
312 / 99
MONTROSE
ANGUS
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Maybe I do have the right person and Helen is using her birth surname as her maiden name when registering the birth :-\
Is this the marriage of Helen snr's parents (after Helens birth)
DONALDSON, HELEN
BEATTIE, JAMES
1881
599 / 62
KILWINNING
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Helen Beattie BA meaning adopted with both parents alive
Is that what BA means? Rather than Both Alive or does it say adopted daughter specifically?
Sorry I haven't seen the entry so am not sure.
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One thing BA on the 1921 Scottish census means Both parents alive. Nothing about adoption.
Legal adoption did not start until 1930 in Scotland so if Helen was ever legally adopted it would have been after this date and that would make her 16 with her birth year of 1914.
Dorrie
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One thing BA on the 1921 Scottish census means Both parents alive. Nothing about adoption.
Dorrie
I agree with Dorrie, according to the Scotland's People 1921 census returns page,the following is true.
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/guides/record-guides/census-returns#Household-returns-1921-census
Marriage/Orphanhood
BA - Both parents alive
FD - Father dead
MD - Mother dead
BD - Both parents dead
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I think I may have solved it if the bbeattie can confirm the 1921 Scotland Census she is looking at is for Montrose, Scotland.
Too late to go into my findings now as bedtime but will be back on in the morning.
Dorrie
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Sorry, turns out to be the wrong Helen Beattie. My Helen was born in North Craigo, Angus, not far from Montrose, 1 month before the Helen in the 1921 census so I thought it was my relative. I found out, with help, from a Montrose fb site that the Helen in the census was married to a James Beattie who was at sea at the time of the census.
My grandaunt Helen was born illegitimate to James and Elizabeth (Alexander) Beattie, who married the following year, and was living and working with her mother's sister in Tarbert in 1901...that's the last I can find out about her.
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My Helen Beattie was named Nelly at birth, Oct 4, 1881 and was Nelly in the 1901 census but Helen in the 1891 census...all confirmed.
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I was going to suggest the following 1921 Scotland entries but the birth for that Helen has mmn Donaldson. I will post anyway to save anyone else going the same route :)
BEATTIE, HELEN
age 39
312/ 21/ 3
MONTROSE
ANGUS
BEATTIE, HELEN D
age 7
312/ 21/ 3
MONTROSE
ANGUS
.....
Is this her birth
BEATTIE, HELEN DONALDSON
Mothers maiden surname DONALDSON
F
1914
312 / 99
MONTROSE
ANGUS
Yes, that is the one I saw.
Thanks,
Brian
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I had followed the Helen in the 1921 Census. However pleased that you have had help in confirming that this is not the person you are researching.
Good luck,
Dorrie
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I had followed the Helen in the 1921 Census. However pleased that you have had help in confirming that this is not the person you are researching.
Good luck,
Dorrie
Thanks to you and all others for helping me!
Brian