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Title: Gg mother or gg grandmother Maggie jamieson
Post by: Welly07 on Thursday 21 March 24 08:21 GMT (UK)
Hello all in desperate need of dating a photo, it were in my grandad's belongs. My granddad was Scottish and my nan was Irish. 
We think the photo is of the Scottish side so grandads mother Maggie jamieson born 1910 and her sisters or Maggie's mum Annie Mcdonald born in 1878 and her sisters
Title: Re: Gg mother or gg grandmother Maggie jamieson
Post by: Treetotal on Saturday 23 March 24 12:56 GMT (UK)
In my opinion this is a 1920s image. Lovely photo. They all look to be wearing the same kind of uniform, do you know what they did for a living. I can't make out the wording. Bus Conductors?
Carol
Title: Re: Gg mother or gg grandmother Maggie jamieson
Post by: arthurk on Saturday 23 March 24 13:54 GMT (UK)
If this is the 1920s, Maggie would have been no more than 20 years old. I can just about see that for the two on the right, but I think the one on the left could be quite a bit older. And it would have to be late 1920s.

The words or initials on the collars are different from the ones on the caps. Welly - would you be able to do a higher resolution scan of just those bits, please? Also, whereabouts in Scotland did they live? If it's initials, it might give us a clue. (And while you're at it, where were the Irish family, just in case it's them.)
Title: Re: Gg mother or gg grandmother Maggie jamieson
Post by: Treetotal on Saturday 23 March 24 14:02 GMT (UK)
Just to add to what I previously said, The two on the right (one seated and one standing) as you look at the photo are not wearing wedding rings. Alternatively, They could be Railway workers.
Carol
Title: Re: Gg mother or gg grandmother Maggie jamieson
Post by: bearkat on Saturday 23 March 24 14:03 GMT (UK)
The letters on their lapels look like G & S W R - Glasgow and South Western Railway
Title: Re: Gg mother or gg grandmother Maggie jamieson
Post by: Treetotal on Saturday 23 March 24 14:06 GMT (UK)
Nice one Bearcat, I can see that now. I ammended my post before you responsed  ;D
Carol
Title: Re: Gg mother or gg grandmother Maggie jamieson
Post by: arthurk on Saturday 23 March 24 14:18 GMT (UK)
The letters on their lapels look like G & S W R - Glasgow and South Western Railway

Close to what I thought I could see - I'm happy with that.
Title: Re: Gg mother or gg grandmother Maggie jamieson
Post by: Welly07 on Saturday 23 March 24 15:34 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much for the replies

Maggie died at age 23 in 1933. Family made there way from lockwinoch, to Paisley then Glasgow and back to Lochwinnoch.

Irish side is from Cork city mostly from my research so far.

I have no idea how to get a better picture I'm really not the tech savvy sorry
Title: Re: Gg mother or gg grandmother Maggie jamieson
Post by: arthurk on Saturday 23 March 24 16:07 GMT (UK)
Maggie died at age 23 in 1933. Family made there way from lockwinoch, to Paisley then Glasgow and back to Lochwinnoch.

That fits with the G&SWR.

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I have no idea how to get a better picture I'm really not the tech savvy sorry

If you can tell us what model of scanner/printer you used, someone might be able to guide you through it. You might also find something in its Help under 'crop' or 'resolution'. Failing that, my best guess for the cap bands would be their position in the company, or the station they worked at.
Title: Re: Gg mother or gg grandmother Maggie jamieson
Post by: Welly07 on Tuesday 26 March 24 09:10 GMT (UK)
Did not scan it. Photo was sent to me by my aunt who has the original.
Just uploaded from my phone
Title: Re: Gg mother or gg grandmother Maggie jamieson
Post by: Hollander on Tuesday 26 March 24 09:56 GMT (UK)
The uniforms look very much like those worn by women workers on the railways during WWI, so possibly the older generation.
Title: Re: Gg mother or gg grandmother Maggie jamieson
Post by: arthurk on Tuesday 26 March 24 11:28 GMT (UK)
Did not scan it. Photo was sent to me by my aunt who has the original.
Just uploaded from my phone

OK. I wonder if the Glasgow & South Western Railway Association might be able to tell you anything about it? - http://www.gswra.org/

In the meantime, I've had another look, and I think the lettering on the caps might end with "LW" or "SW" in cursive capitals, so maybe it's just "G&SW" again. :-\
Title: Re: Gg mother or gg grandmother Maggie jamieson
Post by: japeflakes on Wednesday 27 March 24 13:07 GMT (UK)
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Title: Re: Gg mother or gg grandmother Maggie jamieson
Post by: dobfarm on Thursday 28 March 24 01:46 GMT (UK)
The two years quoted 1910 and 1920 in this thread  - a point to remember the 3 ladies in uniform working for a railway could be in  WW1  years 1914-1918 women filling men's jobs while the men were in the forces at war .
Title: Re: Gg mother or gg grandmother Maggie jamieson
Post by: arthurk on Thursday 28 March 24 13:46 GMT (UK)
We think the photo is of the Scottish side so grandads mother Maggie jamieson born 1910 and her sisters or Maggie's mum Annie Mcdonald born in 1878 and her sisters
The two years quoted 1910 and 1920 in this thread  - a point to remember the 3 ladies in uniform working for a railway could be in  WW1  years 1914-1918 women filling men's jobs while the men were in the forces at war .

Others are better at dating than I am, particularly when it comes to personal appearance and clothing, but someone born in 1878 would have been around 35-40 during WW1. I think that might fit for the one on the left, but would the ages of her sisters match the other two?
Title: Re: Gg mother or gg grandmother Maggie jamieson
Post by: Welly07 on Thursday 28 March 24 16:30 GMT (UK)
So the sister were, Agnes born 1896, Elizabeth 1901 and Maggie 1910

Would that match ?
Title: Re: Gg mother or gg grandmother Maggie jamieson
Post by: arthurk on Thursday 28 March 24 19:37 GMT (UK)
So the sister were, Agnes born 1896, Elizabeth 1901 and Maggie 1910

Would that match ?

In your first post you wrote:
We think the photo is of the Scottish side so grandads mother Maggie jamieson born 1910 and her sisters or Maggie's mum Annie Mcdonald born in 1878 and her sisters

Are you saying that Annie's daughters were Agnes, Elizabeth and Maggie, born between 1896 and 1910?

What I was wondering was, if dobfarm could be right about a WW1 date, when were Annie's sisters born? (Alternatively, might the photo be of Annie with Agnes and Elizabeth?)
Title: Re: Gg mother or gg grandmother Maggie jamieson
Post by: Welly07 on Thursday 28 March 24 22:06 GMT (UK)
Annie 1878, Maggie 1876, Mary 1882, Agnes 1884

They didn't stray far with names

Annie left her family not long after Maggie was born and moved to Canada
Title: Re: Gg mother or gg grandmother Maggie jamieson
Post by: dobfarm on Saturday 30 March 24 20:20 GMT (UK)
Annie 1878, Maggie 1876, Mary 1882, Agnes 1884

They didn't stray far with names

Annie left her family not long after Maggie was born and moved to Canada


1914 minus 1878 = 36 Annie
1914 minus 1882 = 32 Mary
1914 minus 1884 = 30 Agnes
its just possible but as bellow  ???

Having said that ? - if Maggie was born 1910 she would have been only 4 in 1914 and its doubtful her mum Annie would have been working in 1914 to say to 1919/20

Though in wartime some grandparents looked after their grandkids to let the children's parents work. (Grandparents own children working)

If it is Agnes born 1896, Elizabeth 1901 and Maggie 1910 then say Maggie is 20 years old in the photo we are talking 1930 plus when the photo was taken then Anges (2) born 1896 would have been 34 years old and Elizabeth 29 years old. That 2 older sisters and one young sister but tin the photo the older lady siter and  2 young sisters

There are 2 Agnes's 1 born 1884 and another born 1896 (12 year apart)

Are the ladies in the photo 2 sister and an auntie or some other combination



Title: Re: Gg mother or gg grandmother Maggie jamieson
Post by: gerry65 on Sunday 16 June 24 00:01 BST (UK)
Hi Welly 07  the lady on the right of the photo is my grandmother Agnes Jamieson.  She didn't marry till around 1919. So I think the photo was taken before this. I have that photo as well and think the other two ladies are not related to Agnes just workmates on the railway. That's were she met her husband,  my grandad.
Regards Gerry
Title: Re: Gg mother or gg grandmother Maggie jamieson
Post by: gerry65 on Monday 19 August 24 22:06 BST (UK)
Hi Welly07,  After looking at some family photos I am thinking lady in the middle is Elizabeth Jamieson who married Kenneth Brake in Canada. The lady on the right is definitely my gran Agnes Jamieson.  Lady on left is too old to be your g gran Maggie.
Also can't be Annie Jamieson, Mcdonald or McKinley as she was in Canada in 1914. Maybe another family member from Lochwinnoch.