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There are many records to prove that George William Morecock (1902-1981) was born, lived and died in Birmingham yet I can't find him on the 1911 census despite having tried every mutation of the name that I can think of. Please can anyone see what I am missing or maybe someone with access to the 1921 census can find him there?
What I'm actually looking for are the names of his parents.
Thanks in anticipation,
Keith
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I can't see him on the GRO index
The only George William Morecock reg 1902 is in Hunslet mother's maiden name Bradley
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There is a marriage to Mary K Haywood 1925 reg. Birmingham 1st quarter vol 6D page 643
A copy of the certificate will give you his father's name and occupation.
1935 he and his wife Mary Kathleen are living on Alexandria Street.
1939 he is alone
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Deleted, wrong family, apologies :-[
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There are many records to prove that George William Morecock (1902-1981) was born, lived and died in Birmingham yet I can't find him on the 1911 census despite having tried every mutation of the name that I can think of. Please can anyone see what I am missing or maybe someone with access to the 1921 census can find him there ?
May I ask, if you don’t have a birth registration and haven’t found him in either the 1911 or 1921 censuses, what is the evidence for his birth in Birmingham?
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I can't see him on the GRO index
The only George William Morecock reg 1902 is in Hunslet mother's maiden name Bradley
William Morecock married Selina Bradley in Birmingham in 1884.
The family are in Hunslet, Yorkshire in 1901, but all children were born in Birmingham.
Parish Church of Bishop Ryder, Birmingham 19 October 1884
William Morecock 19 bachelor gun maker of Staniforth Street
s/o William Morecock gun maker
Selina Bradley[X] 19 spinster of Staniforth Street
d/o John Bradley polisher
witnesses: James Walters; Martha Walters[X]
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Birmingham Electoral Roll 1924 :
Daniel BOOTH
Mary Ann BOOTH
George William MORECOCK
62 Little Green Lane , St Bartholomews Ward , Birmingham
Daniel BOOTH married Mary Ann MORECOCK ( or Alice Skinner ) 3 1907 Birmingham
Mary Ann MORECOCK is in Hunslet with family in 1901 RG13 4192 135 31
In 1911 Mary Ann BOOTH is with her husband and family but no sign of George William Morecock.
I think the Hunslet birth in 1902 is correct and George must be with other family in 1911.
And Galium has just found the Bradley connection ! ;D
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I took a look at the digital image for the birth.
George William Morecock born 24 Feb 1902 was registered as the child of William and Selina Morecock ( formerly Bradley ).
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1891 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:W252-CMM
1901
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9TM-42V
Parents married 1884- image on Ancestry
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George William Morecock born 24 Feb 1902 was registered as the child of William and Selina Morecock ( formerly Bradley ).
This is probably a total red herring...but I'll put it to you anyway, then you can shoot me down in flames :D
Take a look at George W King, born 1902 in Leeds, in the 1921 census for Birmingham. Note his mother's name and also take a look at his exact age in relation to the date of the 1921 census (21st June 1921)
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Ironic Selina's husband William was a Gun Maker in 1891 census, he might shoot you JenB.
William Morecock died 1917 so no reason why Selina is with Mr King.
Deaths Sep 1917
Morecock William 50 Birmingham 6d 247
Do not think she married Mr King, as she died as Morecock
Deaths Jun 1942
Morecock Selina 74 Birmingham 6d 122
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William Morecock died 1917 so no reason why Selina is with Mr King.
I don't follow your logic. The 1921 census was four years after William died :-\
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Sorry Jen B what I meant to say was there was no reason why she should not be with Mr King in 1921, her husband had died. I think what you found is spot on
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Good find, JenB!
I think the William Morecock who died in 1917 was probably William's father, born c 1838 (he is with William and Selina in 1891, and appears to have remarried not long after that).
FreeBMD gives his age as 50 - and the image they have is rather blotchy. If you look at the one on FindMyPast, it is clearly 80.
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Wow, a huge thank you to all respondents. No way when I asked the question did I even begin to suspect that he was my wife's grandmother's brother! WE didn't have him on the tree because we had missed the Hunslett connection.
I had been at this for several days and had reached the point where I couldn't see the wood for the trees.
The amusing part of this and the part that has caused all the interest is that George now appears mon my wife's tree while Mary K Haywood now appears on mine.
Thanks Jen for the possible link to King. I don't have access to the 1921 census but there will be other ways to dig into this.
Regards and sincere thanks to all,
Keith
Regards to all,
Keith
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Possibly father William Morecock going to NZ
Name Wm Morecock
Gender Male
Departure Age 33
Birth Date abt 1871
Departure Date 4 May 1904
Departure Port England
Ship Name Gothic
Shipping Line Shaw Savill & Albion Co, Ltd
Destination Port Wellington, New Zealand
Master W H Kidley
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Possibly father William Morecock going to NZ
Name Wm Morecock
Gender Male
Departure Age 33
Birth Date abt 1871
Departure Date 4 May 1904
Departure Port England
Ship Name Gothic
Shipping Line Shaw Savill & Albion Co, Ltd
Destination Port Wellington, New Zealand
Master W H Kidley
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Yes!
https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~blacksmiths/genealogy/gunsmiths-1.htm#M
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Death ref of William Moorecock in NZ
1944/16696 Moorecock William Charles 74Y.
Baptised 19th May 1867, image on Anc--possibly born 1st May 1867
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His father William Morecock married Martha Porter 12th Sepember 1859. His occupation Gun Maker. (Image on Ancestry)
Birth of William senior
Births Mar 1838
MORECOCK William Whitechapel 2 445
1861 census ref 276 76 31
1871 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRJK-F5V
MORECOCK, MARTHA CHARLOTTE mmn PORTER
GRO Reference: 1860 S Quarter in WHITECHAPEL Volume 01C Page 354
1881 census ref 3001 49 38
Cannot locate William jnrs birth record.
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I can’t find Selina and George in 1911, neither can I see Selina (as Selina Moorcock) in 1939.
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I can’t find Selina and George in 1911, neither can I see Selina (as Selina Moorcock) in 1939.
Neither can I find them in 1911 but Selina as possibly King in 1939
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Do not think she married Mr King, as she died as Morecock
Deaths Jun 1942
Morecock Selina 74 Birmingham 6d 122
Her death is actually registered as Selina Morecock AND Selina King.
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Do not think she married Mr King, as she died as Morecock
Deaths Jun 1942
Morecock Selina 74 Birmingham 6d 122
Her death is actually registered as Selina Morecock AND Selina King.
For info.
Morecock Selina 1942 Warwickshire Burials Birmingham, Witton Cemetery, Warwickshire
above details from F M P - you can order a copy of the burial register image click here https://www.rootschat.com/links/01t1m/
Burial on findagrave not much detail
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/247289071/selina-morecock
Deaths Sep 1917
Morecock William 50 Birmingham 6d 247
Morecock William 1917 Warwickshire Burials Birmingham, Witton Cemetery, Warwickshire
Burial Witton Cemetery
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/247289081/william-morecock
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Deaths Sep 1917
Morecock William 50 Birmingham 6d 247
SS - Was your death ref from FreeBMD?
GRO indexes have a different age at death for William
MORECOCK, WILLIAM 80
GRO Reference: 1917 S Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 247
Apologies to duplicate didn’t see that Galium had already posted that info.
I think the William Morecock who died in 1917 was probably William's father, born c 1838 (he is with William and Selina in 1891, and appears to have remarried not long after that).
FreeBMD gives his age as 50 - and the image they have is rather blotchy. If you look at the one on FindMyPast, it is clearly 80.
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I've been looking this morning same as everyone else I can't find Selina or George on 1911 census seem pretty elusive ??? Are there any missing censuses pieces for 1911? Could they be with Mr King in 1911?
There are three King/Bradley between 1906-1910 Birmingham their parents are Matthew King & Emma nee Bradley, married 1893 Birmingham
1901 census, 1902 b/c address for Morecock's
2, St Marys Court, Hunslet, Yorkshire
checked that address for 1911 and Newham’s living there ???
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1911 census shows William Mocock (William signed the schedule, and seems to have written this himself) aged 43 in Birmingham. He is a cycle fitter (William Morecock is a cycle hand filer in 1901), with his son Samuel (aged 15).
Lodging at the same address is Agnes Haywood (widow), and two daughters: Kathleen aged 9 and Agnes aged 3 months.
William is married, and has filled in the details for years married (21) and number of children (5: 3 still living).
There are actually 9 births of Morecock children with mother's maiden name Bradley between 1880 and 1910. There doesn't seem to be any other marriage of a couple with those surnames.
1885 Mary Ann
1887 Jane
1890 William George - died 1896 aged 6
1892 Kate
1894 Alfred - died 1894
1896 Samuel
1898 Thomas - died 1898
1899 Ellen -died 1899
1902 George William
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Also there is a William Mocock with the Haywood family in 1921.
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I've been away from this for a few hours and so much has since come in that I need to go through known family info to see how much I can confirm.
One thing that does seem to fit, though, is the possibility that Mary divorced Gorge William at some point around 1939, probably as the result of the Married Women's Property Act 1937, before which it was extremely difficult for a woman to obtain a divorce. I say this because I have found evidence of no less than three different addresses for her at different times of that year. According to other Ancestry trees on which she appears she married a Thomas G Cash in Birmingham in 1957, something I can't currently confirm.
Ancestry is reporting problems at the moment, some of which I am experiencing but I'll be back with some answers as soon as possible.
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1911 census shows William Mocock (William signed the schedule, and seems to have written this himself) aged 43 in Birmingham. He is a cycle fitter (William Morecock is a cycle hand filer in 1901), with his son Samuel (aged 15).
Lodging at the same address is Agnes Haywood (widow), and two daughters: Kathleen aged 9 and Agnes aged 3 months.
William is married, and has filled in the details for years married (21) and number of children (5: 3 still living).
An interesting find Galium - William Morecock born London
For info
family search & F M P has surname transcribed as Mccock
1911 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWCB-BRZ
Agnes nee Collins her husband Edward Haywood died 1908
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Also there is a William Mocock with the Haywood family in 1921.
Free BMD has this possibly death entry
Mocock William age 91
Dec 1956 Birmingham 9c 123
Buried Birmingham, Handsworth Cemetery
Edit to add
1939 register Birmingham there is a William Mocock born May 1865
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Lady hawk, I went down that route last night, think he appears in 1939 with a dob of may 1865. Still not decided if he is the same William who married Selina. So many Mocock/morecocks who are gun makers/ gun finishers etc
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1911 census shows William Mocock (William signed the schedule, and seems to have written this himself) aged 43 in Birmingham. He is a cycle fitter (William Morecock is a cycle hand filer in 1901), with his son Samuel (aged 15).
Lodging at the same address is Agnes Haywood (widow), and two daughters: Kathleen aged 9 and Agnes aged 3 months.
William is married, and has filled in the details for years married (21) and number of children (5: 3 still living).
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The William Charles Morecock who died aged 74 in 1944 details below.
Born
MOCOCK, WILLIAM CHARLES mmn WILSON
GRO Reference: 1870 J Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 316
His parents Alfred Morecock 1842-1893 & Mary Ann Wilson. Alfred is the brother of William Morecock born 1838, Both have mmn Eaves.
census refs
1881- 2993 141 37
1891- 2392 122 23
Marries Minnie Maud Birch dg 1891
1901- 269 175 13
4 known children, Minnie Maud 1893. Doris May 1897, Leah 1898, William 1901
William goes to NZ in 1904.
Cannot find Minnie and children after 1901 census.
So in conclusion I believe the William found with the Haywoods in 1911/1921 is the father of George W Morecock.
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Do you think this is Minnie and children in 1911?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWWH-N2S
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It's a very very strong contender Mabel.
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JenB mentioned Selina Morecock with surname King & Galium mentioned William Morecock with lodger Agnes Hayward
Posting these Electoral Register entries which may relate
Year 1923 - 1931 Address 3 Court 3 Brass Street
Henry Ernest & Selina Elizabeth KING
Samuel MOCOCK
1939 register Birmingham C.B., Warwickshire
Henry E KING May 1880
Eliza KING Apr 1865
Year 1921/22 same address as above
Henry Ernest & Helena KING ( Is this Selina Morecock)
Samuel KING. ( Is this Samuel Morecock)
Year 1921 - 1925 address 5 court 18 Hospital Street
William MORECOCK
Agnes HAYWOOD
Year 1929 Address 4 Brass Street
George William & Kathleen Mary MORCOCK
Year 1931
Address 238A Tiverton Road
Agnes HAYWARD (could this be Agnes HayWOOD dau of Agnes?)
George William & Mary Kathleen MORECOCK
Katherine COLLINS
Not found Henry Ernest King yet on 1911 census perhaps Selina might be with him
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JenB mentioned Selina Morecock with surname King & Galium mentioned William Morecock with lodger Agnes Hayward
Not found Henry Ernest King yet on 1911 census perhaps Selina might be with him
Going by Henry's occupation in 1921, in 1911 may be recorded as H King 1880 Baker.
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JenB mentioned Selina Morecock with surname King & Galium mentioned William Morecock with lodger Agnes Hayward
Not found Henry Ernest King yet on 1911 census perhaps Selina might be with him
Going by Henry's occupation in 1921, in 1911 may be recorded as H King 1880 Baker.
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Good find SS
1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWZ4-GYD
Are Elizabeth More age 46 born Birmingham and G William More age 10 born Leeds - Selina & George Morecock? Elizabeth married 27 yrs 9 Children born 5 living 4 died
Edit to add - Galium lists children of William & Selina Morecock there are 9 and 4 have died
1885 Mary Ann
1887 Jane
1890 William George - died 1896 aged 6
1892 Kate
1894 Alfred - died 1894
1896 Samuel
1898 Thomas - died 1898
1899 Ellen -died 1899
1902 George William
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Ladyhawk, I know how I would feel about that 1911 census entry but my opinions are not what counts. I will sit on the fence, anyone else want to stick their head over the wall. ;D
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For info. - there's a Laura King on 1911 census boarder with Elizabeth
1901 census
113, Pritchett Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Elizabeth King Head Widow 1833 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Laura King Daughter Single 1863 Brass founder's press worker Birmingham
Henry King Grand son Single 1881 Baker Birmingham
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Hi folks,
Apologies for my absence, due to a very unpleasant bug which is now receding,
At a quick glace I agree that the King link looks promising. I will need a little time to go through all of your kind responses before offering my final thoughts on that one.