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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: baloo on Tuesday 27 February 24 10:09 GMT (UK)
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Hi, I have a marriage certificate for my wife's Father Frank Burt and his wife Iris Rosina Wood, we are having trouble deciphering her Grandfathers Albert George Wood's profession, it looks like "Paper Keeper" .If it is that what is it, Hope someone can help.
Regards Baloo
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Without sight of the certificate it is difficult to say; can you post a scan of the relevant section?
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Thanks I will try
Baloo
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What year is the marriage from please?
If you can find Albert George on a census for example his profession may be listed to cross check.
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Milliepede I was thinking the same about checking census info but need more info as otherwise net cast too far!
I think the marriage must be in 1952 (Qtr 4, TAUNTON Vol 7C, page 384)
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In 1939 Albert g wood had the occupation of admiralty messenger. Iris was born 1923
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But what did an Admiralty Messenger do? Both of these items from the 1930s received wide coverage in the press.
27 June 1935: Mearns Leader
A TIME HONOURED CUSTOM.
In an article on the "Romance of the Irish Mail" appearing in the June issue of the L. M. S. Magazine, we are given a remarkable instance of the survival of a strange custom. We gather that about 1837 it was the custom for the Admiralty to set a watch to correct Greenwich time and to dispatch it to Holyhead by train in the custody of the guard where it gave the time to the Kingstown boat. The boat having duly corrected its clock, the watch was returned to the guard who conveyed it to Euston where the Admiralty messenger took charge of it again. This procedure, we gather, took place every day. And the years have passed and the telegraph has been invented and wireless has been discovered and electric clocks are now synchronised in all parts of the world, but unless we misunderstand the article, the Admiralty continue to dispatch the watch, the guard collects it and conveys it carefully to the Kingstown boat and the Kingstown boat says "thank you" and returns it to the guard who brings it again to Euston and hands it with all due care and caution to the Admiralty messenger.
10 August 1934: Hampshire Telegraph
NAVAL PAPERS
Lost on Journey to Portsmouth
BUT QUICKLY FOUND
Returned to Hebburn-on-Tyne
Search for a missing box containing Admiralty papers, which disappeared mysteriously from a train between London and Portsmouth, ended at 8 p.m. on Friday with the unexpected return of the box to its starting-point, Hebburn-on-Tyne.
Officials of the Admiralty, of two railway companies, and members of the criminal investigation department at Scotland Yard, Portsmouth, and Newcastle, had been engaged in the search since the day before.
The papers, in a red box about 2ft. long by 21in. wide and 14in. deep, were being taken by an Admiralty messenger from Messrs, Hawthorn, Leslie and Co.'s works at Hebburn-on-Tyne to Portsmouth Dockyard.
On arrival in London the box was placed in the guard's van of the train which left Waterloo station at 2 p.m. on Thursday, the Admiralty messenger, accompanied by a Superintendent Overseer, travelling in an ordinary compartment.
On arrival of the train at Portsmouth the box was missing.
While the search was still being made at every likely point between Newcastle and Portsmouth, the box arrived at Hebburn-on-Tyne on Friday evening by passenger train in the ordinary course of transit.
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Hi the marriage was 6th December 1952 in the parish church of Creech-St-Michael, Taunton, Somerset.
Many thanks
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There are 414 paper keepers in the 1939 Register. Most of the ones I've looked at are civil servants.
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There are current vacancies at the MoJ: https://justicejobs.tal.net/vx/mobile-0/appcentre-1/brand-2/candidate/so/pm/1/pl/3/opp/15012-15012-Paper-Keeper-clerical-assistant/en-GB
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When I worked at the Land Registry the Paper Keepers were the ones who looked after and filed all the reams of paper and plans we produced.
If memory serves me correctly they were a 'grade' below Clerical Assistants and a similar grade to messengers (who carried the bits of paper around the building)
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Father Albert George Wood born 11th February 1897. On 1939 register is recorded his occupation as well as "Naval Pensioner" J29488.
FindMyPast have his naval records.
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Many thanks.
Baloo
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Info only,
Albert George Wood 1897 was the son of Albert George Wood and Agnes Jennings(married 1893 Billericay) By 1901 census His mother Agnes is living with a "Harry Potter".
1901 ref
Piece 1581
Folio 27
Page number 2
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added: by 1911 census Albert is recorded as Albert POTTER-born Brentwood.
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Hi Thanks. Sorry this is not my Albert. Thanks for looking
Baloo
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Ok
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It's very very coincidental then. Your Iris R Wood/Burt appears in 1939 with father Albert George Wood with a dob 11.2.1897.
His naval record records a dob 11.2.1897 born Brentwood.
More coincidental is the birth of Albert George Wood 11th February 1897, Mascall's Cottages,South Weald, Essex, father Albert George Wood (deceased) and mother Agnes Wood nee' Jennings.
Must be 2 Albert George Wood's born the same day I suppose.
Deaths Mar 1981
WOOD ALBERT GEORGE 11FE1897 TAUNTON D 23 1474
Rosina Lilian Wood
25 Mar 1897
Oct 1969
Oct-Nov-Dec
Taunton
Somerset
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Added, in 1921 Albert G Wood is in Hong Kong as an Able Seaman.
His mother remarried in 1913 to Harry Potter, and appears in 1939 war register.