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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Caernarvonshire => Topic started by: climbingthewalls on Tuesday 27 February 24 09:11 GMT (UK)
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Please see pic. Its from the Capel Curig register.
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Sorry but I can’t quite see the place name
Can you do it again larger? It might be me not seeing it properly .
Viktoria.
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At the 1792 baptism of Hugh it just says “Park”. Which is the second part of the name on your clip.
(It also says Richard is a brewer)
Same in 1797 (Catherine)
Anyway..I am seeing Tyn y …. Park
Off looking at census and maps.
Lots of Ty place names… no Parks so,far
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At the 1792 baptism of Hugh it just says “Park”. Which is the second part of the name on your clip.
(It also says Richard is a brewer)
Same in 1797 (Catherine)
Anyway..I am seeing Tyn y …. Park
Off looking at census and maps.
Lots of Ty place names… no Parks so,far
Yes, I saw that with Catherine and was wondering if Brewer was the occupation and Park was the place. Couldn't be sure. I'm at a loss the the Ty .... y park though!
I was looking into the possibility it had anything to do with the Parc Glynliffon - before they built the present buildings there?
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Tŷ is house, I assume in the park.
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I know a little Welsh, enough the read Tŷ as house. A quick translation offered Tŷ yn y parc as House in the Park. It also looks like the K in Park has been altered to C as Parc in being the Welsh spelling.
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Tŷ is house, I assume in the park.
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I know a little Welsh, enough the read Tŷ as house. A quick translation offered Tŷ yn y parc as House in the Park. It also looks like the K in Park has been altered to C as Parc in being the Welsh spelling.
I wonder what Parc (and where it is)!! The person I am trying to places is a Jane Prichard born 1789. Im a stuck between at least 2 roots to go, one going towards Coedtyno - near Clynnog - which seems a pretty good link as she lived there all her life (as much as the censuses show anyway) or Llanystumdwy - which isn't a million miles away either. Both places seem to have a Richard Jones and Mary (her parents names) having kids in those areas around the same time. If I can place where this park(parc) is, it may give me a clue to which family line she is linked to!
Many thanks for your help!
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Which church was used for the baptism? As you say it was from the Capel Curig register I would suggest a house nearby. It is unlikely they would travel more than a few miles in late December to baptise a baby.
Parc Glynliffon was built in 1830, but history suggests there was a house there before. Large houses often recruited workers from some distance away, as it stopped them running home.
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Which church was used for the baptism? As you say it was from the Capel Curig register I would suggest a house nearby. It is unlikely they would travel more than a few miles in late December to baptise a baby.
Could I just add that it was usual in rural areas in those days that the vicar/curate would go around the parish and baptise the child in the parents' home.
Gadget
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Which church was used for the baptism? As you say it was from the Capel Curig register I would suggest a house nearby. It is unlikely they would travel more than a few miles in late December to baptise a baby.
Parc Glynliffon was built in 1830, but history suggests there was a house there before. Large houses often recruited workers from some distance away, as it stopped them running home.
Hi, she was baptised in Clynnog Fawr. I have just found a record from 1811. A burial of an Ellin Prichard of Parc - aged 98. I can't at the moment associate her with Jane Prichard (or her father Richard Jones), but there is definitely a Parc in the clynnog area - as I recognised 2 other burials next to hers, one of a person from Rallt and the other Coedtyno. So I am thinking if this Prichard is related to her, the Coedtyno Prichards may be the match!!!!!
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I agree with climbingthewalls, the records are of Clynnog Fawr rather than Capel Curig (not a parish). I've not found a Parc on the OS maps so far but here's a link to the map (later than the entry) that I've been looking at:
https://maps.nls.uk/view/101606847#zoom=4&lat=4266&lon=5103&layers=BT
Gadget
add - details of the parish:
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CAE/ClynnogVawr
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Richard Ellis was the curate of Clynnog Fawr. Checking place names on the register I can see"Tai''n lon, Bwlch Derwin, Pant Glâs, LLwyngwahaniadle" - which can be found on the east of this map -
https://maps.nls.uk/view/101606859
Yet to check for "Tŷ yn y Parc" (or variations thereof)
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"Ty yn y parc" can be found on the map I posted - north east corner.
Note - I meant " west of this map" on previous post - not east!!.
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"Ty yn y parc" can be found on the map I posted - north east corner.
Note - I meant " west of this map" on previous post - not east!!.
Brilliant! Great spot - and much appreciated! now for me to try and work out who exactly were her parents ;D I thought she would have been quite easy to figure out as she's the only relative on that side o the tree (and her husband) who got lots of newspaper coverage!
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Just to confuse things a bit! In 1902 a family names Jones (what else) lived in a tiny house called Parc in Carmel north of Talysarn, Parish of Llanllyfni.
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https://places.library.wales/browse/53.024/-4.274/17?page=1&alt=&alt=&leaflet-base-layers_66=on
Look for marker 9. Then tick Tithe map overlay , view apportionment .
I'm not sure if this is the right place but worth a look.
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https://places.library.wales/browse/53.024/-4.274/17?page=1&alt=&alt=&leaflet-base-layers_66=on
Look for marker 9. Then tick Tithe map overlay , view apportionment .
I'm not sure if this is the right place but worth a look.
Thanks for that, I am seeing the occupier as an Owen Roberts, with landowner Anna Evans. I think its dated 1839. Would you know if the tithe maps go back further than 1839?
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Note date range under "What are tithe maps?"
https://www.library.wales/index.php?id=7347
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Unfortunately not to my knowledge.
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https://places.library.wales/browse/53.024/-4.274/17?page=1&alt=&alt=&leaflet-base-layers_66=on
Look for marker 9. Then tick Tithe map overlay , view apportionment .
I'm not sure if this is the right place but worth a look.
I've managed to find Owen Roberts now on the census for 1841 and 1851. He was born in Clynnog approx 1798 and was at Ty'n y Park from at least the time of when the tithe map was drawn up (1839) till his death in 1862. His wife was a Catherine born in Clynnog approx 1795.
Need to see how it went from Richard Jones in late 1700s to be in the hands of Owen Roberts. I'm thinking if the date of births arent 100% accurate, Catherine (Owen Roberts wife) may be the daughter born in 1797?
Anyways thanks for all the help so far, and the pointers to some really good sites!
Thanks for that, I am seeing the occupier as an Owen Roberts, with landowner Anna Evans. I think its dated 1839. Would you know if the tithe maps go back further than 1839?
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Burials Parish of Clynnog, Caernarvon - 1817
Richard Jones, abode Parc, Buried 20 Feb, age 76
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Burials Parish of Clynnog, Caernarvon - 1817
Richard Jones, abode Parc, Buried 20 Feb, age 76
Yes, just seen that :) I think I've also found possibly his wife Mary - who died in Parc in 1846, aged 97. Trying to link either one of these two to the Owen Edwards family who I'm guessing took over the farm.
I've found a Richard Jones born in 1741 in Clynnog to a John Prichard and Anne Griffiths. Which looks promising. I'm struggling on getting the right Mary (his wife), who (if the 97 y/o one is correct) would have been born in 1749. The only marriage i can find that fits the bill would be one in Aber-erch in 1777 - which would make her a Mary Roberts. Not quite sure why they would marry there though?
Having the name Roberts and now finding out that an Owen Roberts occupied the farm adds a bit of mystery !!!
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About to post the 1846, Park, burial details!
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Burials Parish of Clynnog, Caernarvon - 1817
Richard Jones, abode Parc, Buried 20 Feb, age 76
Yes, just seen that :) I think I've also found possibly his wife Mary - who died in Parc in 1846, aged 97. Trying to link either one of these two to the Owen Edwards family who I'm guessing took over the farm.
I've found a Richard Jones born in 1741 in Clynnog to a John Prichard and Anne Griffiths. Which looks promising. I'm struggling on getting the right Mary (his wife), who (if the 97 y/o one is correct) would have been born in 1749. The only marriage i can find that fits the bill would be one in Aber-erch in 1777 - which would make her a Mary Roberts. Not quite sure why they would marry there though?
Having the name Roberts and now finding out that an Owen Roberts occupied the farm adds a bit of mystery !!!
Do you mean Roberts rather than Edwards that you mentioned.
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Do you mean Roberts rather than Edwards that you mentioned.
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Yes, head spinning a bit with this :)
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Can you clarify please? I can see Richard Prichard, son of John and Anne Prichard, bap July 12 1741, place Clynnog Fawr.
Where have you found a Richard Jones, son of Richard Prichard/Anne Griffiths?
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Can you clarify please? I can see Richard Prichard, son of John and Anne Prichard, bap July 12 1741, place Clynnog Fawr.
Where have you found a Richard Jones, son of Richard Prichard/Anne Griffiths?
I am presuming the patrynomic naming convention applies, but it is that record I got the info from, I presumed Richard would take John (Jones) from John Prichard. Re: Anne Griffiths someone has msged me on ancestry suggesting John Prichard married Anne Griffiths. Though I do not have any concrete evidence that is correct. I'll ask him where he got the info from.
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there’s a parc (ty’n y parc) in llanwnda in the next parish