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Title: deciphering cause of death
Post by: molar on Tuesday 20 February 24 12:25 GMT (UK)
Opinions please on cause of death . I think it is ...  locked jaw occasioned from gunshot wound in the hand. I would welcome peoples opinions or suggestions.                                                                     
Title: Re: deciphering cause of death
Post by: Drosybont on Tuesday 20 February 24 12:30 GMT (UK)
That seems to me what is says.  "Locked jaw" would, I think, be tetanus.

Drosybont
Title: Re: deciphering cause of death
Post by: molar on Tuesday 20 February 24 12:45 GMT (UK)
Thank you
Title: Re: deciphering cause of death
Post by: Viktoria on Tuesday 20 February 24 17:03 GMT (UK)
But from a Gunshot wound?
Possibly the wound was contaminated with soil .
lTetanus lurks in soil where there is horse manure ,people used to think it was rusty metal ,well only if the rusty metal had been contaminated with  the  Tetanus.

A dreadful death.

May I ask where he was a lead miner?
My ancestors worked in the Snailbeach Lead Mine, the largest in the country.
Shropshire.
Viktoria.

Title: Re: deciphering cause of death
Post by: molar on Tuesday 20 February 24 17:35 GMT (UK)
It also seems an odd site for a gunshot wound ! Such a young age and he had a 1 year old son .
Title: Re: deciphering cause of death
Post by: Milliepede on Tuesday 20 February 24 17:40 GMT (UK)
It definitely says hand does it and not head? 
Title: Re: deciphering cause of death
Post by: AlanBoyd on Tuesday 20 February 24 18:36 GMT (UK)
Miles Cot, High House and New House(s) on this later map.

http://tinyurl.com/3dpb7s7r (http://tinyurl.com/3dpb7s7r)
Title: Re: deciphering cause of death
Post by: JenB on Tuesday 20 February 24 18:57 GMT (UK)
May I ask where he was a lead miner?

freeBMD shows his death in Hexham R.D.

Alan's map shows he was actually living in Allendale Northumberland.

The north Pennines were one of the most important lead mining areas in the country at this time.
Title: Re: deciphering cause of death
Post by: Viktoria on Tuesday 20 February 24 19:03 GMT (UK)
Some Lead Mining in The Lake District certainly.
I think the little narrow gauge railway, The Ratty, transported ore.

Viktoria.
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Title: Re: deciphering cause of death
Post by: molar on Tuesday 20 February 24 19:38 GMT (UK)
I keep looking and it seems to me to be hand not head, also thinking if he had a gunshot wound to head that would have killed him before developing tetanus. 
It was Allendale , Northumberland .
Title: Re: deciphering cause of death
Post by: JenB on Tuesday 20 February 24 20:26 GMT (UK)
Some Lead Mining in The Lake District certainly.

This man lived in the north Pennines, Northumberland, not the Lake District.
The north Pennines ore field was one of the biggest and most significant in the country.
The ore was transported by pack pony to the smelt mills, and much of the smelted ore was exported from ports on the north east coast.
I’m a member of a group, researching lead mining in part of the north Pennine ore field
https://www.dukesfield.org.uk/history/


(Sorry to digress from your main enquiry, molar)
Title: Re: deciphering cause of death
Post by: Viktoria on Tuesday 20 February 24 21:05 GMT (UK)
I don’t think it states where he lived, in the first post on this subject .

“The Shropshire mines were among the most productive in the country and Europe ,Snailbeach being one of the richest of those mines .”
Quoted from “ The  Shropshire Lead Mines” by Fred Brook and Martin Allbut

Yet  the  area is little known ,the pit head set in lovely surroundings ,the buildings as those in Cornwall as the processes were very like Cornish Tin Mining and many Cornish miners went to Shropshire as did the Cornish Engines.
We children played in The Cornish Engine House.
It is not such a dirty process as coal mining ,we made mud pies with  the waste which was like white mud ,it was also toxic!
Viktoria.

Title: Re: deciphering cause of death
Post by: Ray T on Tuesday 20 February 24 22:42 GMT (UK)
Some Lead Mining in The Lake District certainly.
I think the little narrow gauge railway, The Ratty, transported ore.

Viktoria.
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The line on which “Ratty” runs - from Boot down to Ravenglass - was built to transport iron ore not lead.
Title: Re: deciphering cause of death
Post by: Viktoria on Wednesday 21 February 24 15:03 GMT (UK)
I have ridden on The Ratty,when Youth Hostelling at Boot, when we took the top year of Junior School in their last term.

We did Hardknot Roman Fort the first day then Muncaster falls ,then Muncaster Castle ,then Wastwater .
Doctor Bridge .
It was lovely ,so many laughs .
We did Catbells one year but the rain was coming across like stair rods, Wainwright described it as  “ A nice afternoon stroll for your Granny !”

Some Granny!
Viktoria.
Title: Re: deciphering cause of death
Post by: JenB on Wednesday 21 February 24 17:03 GMT (UK)
molar, presumably you know that he's buried in the churchyard at Ninebanks (St Mark)?
https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/7425648

I see that the informant, Isaac Newton, also a lead miner, was his neighbour according to the 1841 census.

For what it's worth I'm sure the relevant word on the death certificate is 'hand'. Presumably it was thought that some sort of contamination had entered his hand which then caused tetanus.
Title: Re: deciphering cause of death
Post by: Jebber on Wednesday 21 February 24 17:08 GMT (UK)
If you get a nasty injury in your hand when gardening, the first thing you are asked is if your tetanus injection is up to date.
Title: Re: deciphering cause of death
Post by: Viktoria on Wednesday 21 February 24 19:56 GMT (UK)
Yes, and deep penetrating puncture wounds are more dangerous than surface injuries .
In the days of horse drawn carts etc ,and horse manure as a general fertiliser on vegetable gardens etc Tetanus was a real danger.
 It can lurk in soil for a very long time.

Viktoria.