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Title: John Armstrong married Sarah Allen Query
Post by: castlebob on Tuesday 13 February 24 16:24 GMT (UK)
I'm trying to find any proof of a marriage between John Armstrong and Sarah Allen in Bedfordshire in 1698, but having no luck! John died in 1727 in Riseley, while Sarah was born 9 July 1676 in the county.

Many thanks,

Bob
Title: Re: John Armstrong married Sarah Allen Query
Post by: StevenG on Tuesday 13 February 24 16:36 GMT (UK)
Where did you get your information from?
Title: Re: John Armstrong married Sarah Allen Query
Post by: maddys52 on Wednesday 14 February 24 01:49 GMT (UK)
Where did you get your information from?

There are a number of baptisms for children at Riseley between 1700 and 1716 with parents John and Sarah ARMSTRONG. Many public trees on Ancestry have their marriage in 1698, but have no supporting evidence.
Title: Re: John Armstrong married Sarah Allen Query
Post by: castlebob on Wednesday 14 February 24 05:49 GMT (UK)
Many thanks for the replies.
It seems some 'creative' genealogy is at play here!
Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: John Armstrong married Sarah Allen Query
Post by: LizzieL on Wednesday 14 February 24 08:50 GMT (UK)
How do you know Sarah's surname and her date of birth?
Title: Re: John Armstrong married Sarah Allen Query
Post by: maddys52 on Wednesday 14 February 24 08:57 GMT (UK)
Many thanks for the replies.
It seems some 'creative' genealogy is at play here!
Cheers,
Bob

Not necessarily, it's just that they don't provide a source - probably all copied from one another.

There is a Sarah ALLEN baptised at St Swithin, Sandy 9 July 1676, parents James and Margaret.
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5817b562e93790ec8bfe85e9

I suspect this looked like a possible for John's wife, but without a marriage entry, I'm not certain.
Title: Re: John Armstrong married Sarah Allen Query
Post by: castlebob on Wednesday 14 February 24 09:00 GMT (UK)
I was sent it by someone who'd seen the info on the internet - probably Ancestry. I'm always wary of Ancestry trees, plus LDS entries. I noticed that someone had taken 25 years off the age of John's first child (born in 1700), and claimed a 1675 birth date. Typical of LDS entries. It may be that someone else then found a Sarah of the same age!
Title: Re: John Armstrong married Sarah Allen Query
Post by: LizzieL on Wednesday 14 February 24 09:01 GMT (UK)
And a Sarah Allen bapt Bedford in 1679 and another in Kempston in 1673 - both a bit closer to Riseley than Sandy.
But I cannot see any evidence that Sarah's surname was Allen. All the baptism records I have found (on FindMyPast, so only transcripts) just give her forename - no maiden surname.
Title: Re: John Armstrong married Sarah Allen Query
Post by: maddys52 on Wednesday 14 February 24 09:04 GMT (UK)
Children baptised to the couple in Riseley don't seem to have the names James or Margaret. Doesn't preclude Sarah ALLEN as the mother, but ...

27 Dec 1700  Sarah
11 Dec 1701  William
3 Sep 1704  Elizabeth
9 Jan 1706/7  Mary
19 Feb 1709/10  John
28 Jan 1710/11  Robert
31 Jan 1713/14  John
25 Mar 1716  Rebecca

Modified to add:
Sorry, didn't see your post Lizzie. What are the parents' names of the other Sarah ALLENs?
Title: Re: John Armstrong married Sarah Allen Query
Post by: castlebob on Wednesday 14 February 24 09:06 GMT (UK)
Just modified my last post, highlighting some likely LDS additions! Fortunately, we have a number of Y-DNA testees to prove links much farther back, but paper trail evidence is always a bonus.
Title: Re: John Armstrong married Sarah Allen Query
Post by: LizzieL on Wednesday 14 February 24 09:11 GMT (UK)
The Kempston one has father William, no mother recorded
The Bedford one has father Thomas, again no mother recorded
Title: Re: John Armstrong married Sarah Allen Query
Post by: maddys52 on Wednesday 14 February 24 09:22 GMT (UK)
Thanks Lizzie.

Bob, do your DNA links give a clue as to Sarah's parents?
Title: Re: John Armstrong married Sarah Allen Query
Post by: castlebob on Wednesday 14 February 24 11:14 GMT (UK)
No, but we have a number of Armstrongs who have Y-DNA tested, and we all share William (b1701) of Riseley as an ancestor. This was useful as it backed the paper trail research. Our Y-DNA haplogroup is part of the mainstream descent cluster. Virtually all our haplogroup share ancestry with Scottish & Northern Irish testees, some in the mid-16th C (+/-).
 
Title: Re: John Armstrong married Sarah Allen Query
Post by: LizzieL on Wednesday 14 February 24 11:36 GMT (UK)
Is it possible John Armstrong (father of William 1701) married Sarah a long way from Riseley, in Scotland or en route from Scotland perhaps
Title: Re: John Armstrong married Sarah Allen Query
Post by: castlebob on Wednesday 14 February 24 11:45 GMT (UK)
We've fully researched the Armstrongs who went from the Scottish Border to Fermanagh, then down to Co Offaly. There were links to Beds around circa 1700 so, given the Y-DNA, it is very possible.