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Wondering if anyone could help me source surname name of William Wilson’s wife Mary?
Their daughter Jane Wilson married Simon Kennedy at Lanercost in 1856
A cousin found a Press Notice for their wedding stating William Wilson was Inn Keeper at Kirkcambeck at time of this Wedding
William and Mary were my Ancestral 3x Great Grandparents
Have had this information for years but conflicting research shows varied dates for birth
These range from 1797 until 1816
William and Jane his daughter are on the 1841 Census at Abbey Lanercost
Jane and Simon Kennedy who was a Shoemaker moved their family to North East of England and this is where they died
Any information much appreciated
Thanks in advance
Edith A
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I think this marriage is probable, based on information from the baptism of their son James.
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5817c59ee93790eb7f8bb65e/mary-routledge-william-wilson-marriage-cumberland-stapleton-1833-06-15?locale=en
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James’ baptism
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/586df3d7f493fda7cd218811/james-wilson-baptism-cumberland-bewcastle-1834-09-14?locale=en
Jane’s baptism
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/586df3d7f493fda7cd218816/jane-wilson-baptism-cumberland-bewcastle-1834-09-14?locale=en
Robert
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/586df3eff493fda7cd2189c7/robert-wilson-baptism-cumberland-bewcastle-1837-07-30?locale=en
Another child, Mary born abt 1840 is with them in 1841 census
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1841 census shows the family at Kirkcambeck where William is a publican
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This link will take you to a a view of the 1865 6 inch map where you can see Bankhead in the bottom right corner and Knowe in the top left corner, with a Presbyterian Chapel just south of the village.
http://tinyurl.com/3md2ezsm (http://tinyurl.com/3md2ezsm)
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I think this marriage is probable, based on information from the baptism of their son James.
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5817c59ee93790eb7f8bb65e/mary-routledge-william-wilson-marriage-cumberland-stapleton-1833-06-15?locale=en
This marriage names Mary Routledge.
On the 1835 tithe map of the parish of Bewcastle the owner and occupier of the plot named as Bankhead homestead is George Routledge.
added: that was a little cryptic, Bankhead Cottage was the abode of the parents of Jane at the baptism at Nether Knowe linked elsewhere.
added later: my mistake, the abode of Jane’s parents was Bankend Cottage not Bankhead.
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1851 census William Wilson and family
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG2H-NV2
1861 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M72L-1R5
1871 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V51G-K4Z
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William and Mary Wilson possibly this couple buried at Stapleton?
To the memory of Mary wife of William WILSON who died at Kirkcambeck April 12th 1852 aged 37 years. Also the above William WILSON died at Nickes-hill Oct 13th 1872 aged 65 years.
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Many thanks for all the different information
I did source deaths for both William and Mary
Had never added them into data as was uncertain of them being correct match
1852 was the year I had for Mary but 1860 came up as death year for William
Can I ask an additional question re William and his occupation
Would there be any records for the Inn which he took charge of?
Know their daughter Jane and Simon Kennedy were married by Reverend Isaac Dodgson
Dodgson Armstrong Little Forester and Routledge are recurring names within the branches of Kennedy Individuals of Stapleton and Bewcastle
Thanks again for all the replies
Much appreciated
Edith
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15th June 1833, William Wilson married Mary Routledge at Stapleton
then a sequence of events from the register of Nether Knowe Presbyterian:
August 10th 1833: William Wilson and Mary his wife were rebuked before the Session for the sin of ante? nuptial fornication
then later these sequential entries:
James, son of William Wilson and Mary his wife, born at Trough, parish of Stapleton, 25th November 1832 – baptised 14th September 1834
Jane, daughter of William Wilson and Mary his wife, born at Bankend Cottage, parish of Bewcastle, 23rd April 1834 – baptised 14th September 1834
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Thanks for that information👍🏻
Great help
Edith
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Wondering if I can ask for additional help?
Thanks to all who supplied surname Routledge for Mary spouse of William Wilson
Looking at the links supplied I found several additional children and followed their subsequent data I could source myself
However on the IGI website there are three alternatives for parents of Mary
James Routledge and Jane Richardson
James Routledge and Elizabeth
Robert Routledge and Jane Armstrong
In addition I have also sourced alternative names that could match time line that have been attached to her lineage
They are listed below
Names of children of Mary and William Wilson seemed to suggest Robert and Jane as possible parents but their daughter Mary died 11th June 1852 whereas Mary spouse of William died 11 April 1852
Any help in where to research to resolve this would be greatly appreciated
Also one of the responses mentioned George Routledge of Bankhead Farmstead
Other Ancestors have this area mentioned on officisl data and also Bellbank
Can anyone tell me how to find this George Routledge as none of the descendants of Mary seem to have been giving this christian name
Baptisms sourced :-
1) 23 June 1813 - Bewcastle
Father Thomas Routledge and Mother Elizabeth
2) 4 September 1814 Lanercost
Father Joseph Routledge and Mother Isabella
3) 18 August 1813 - Lanercost
Father James Routledge and Mother Jane
Thanks in advance
Anything would be appreciated
Edith K
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She says that she was born Lanercost in censuses, so there’s that.
I had also found the August 183 baptism and assumed that was the most likely given that the name of William and Mary’s first daughter matches the mother of Mary in that baptism.
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Also it was me who mentioned Bankhead Cottage and George Routledge. However I later added to the post that I got a little carried away because it looks to me as if the abode on the baptism is Bankend Cottage, not Bankhead.
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Thank you ….again
Routledge crops up time and time again and so many named Mary making it harder to distinguish between the correct families to add the right parental link
Mary and William Wilson called their son born before they married Robert and Robert Routledge whom married Jane Armstrong seemed the most likely candidate especially as his Father was Leonard Routledge and this name came through the generations of Mary and William Wilson’s descendant but the dates of death for Mary are two months apart and one is listed as 36 on Find a Grave and the other 37 years old
Could this be an error?
On top of that my 6th Great Grandmother Jane Forester who married Simon Kennedy in 1764 was the daughter of Jane Routledge and William Forester
Still trying to establish if Richard Forrester who witnessed Mary Routledge and William Wilson get married is linked directly to to branch of Forester/Forrester already in my ancestry
Assuming at that time families were all located in similar area and then married into same local families making multiple links to the Bewcastle Stapleton or Lanercost area
John Kennedy and Dorothy Armstrong my 6th Great Grandparents are buried at St Cuthbert's in Bewcastle the same graveyard where several Routledge individuals are buried also
Have just checked and I have 7 Mary Routledge in tree from Cumberland area
3 Bewcastle 1 Broughton 2 Haltwhistle and 1 Carlisle
Earliest born circa 1713
So tend to go in circles looking at data
Many thanks for all your help and comments
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Hi Alan
Just a quick note re George Routledge of Bankend
On looking at all the Routledge names on my tree data i have a George spouse of Hannah Pattinson
They are listed at Burtholm
His parents are shown as George Routledge and Elizabeth
George and Hannah were in laws of Sybil Little who married William Routledge
George and Hannah also had a son named Isaac
As not familiar to areas within Cumberland not sure if Burtholm would be in same vicinity to Bankend
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Mary and William Wilson called their son born before they married Robert
The son they baptised at the same time as Jane, who was born in 1832 (? I’m typing this from memory) was James. What is the evidence for Robert?
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As not familiar to areas within Cumberland not sure if Burtholm would be in same vicinity to Bankend
This topic has given me a crash course in the places of northern Cumberland. Since there is basically nowhere of any significant size north of Carlisle, it is quite difficult to research. There is a Burnholme parish but this is just a little north of Carlisle/Brampton, so nowhere near the places that we have been discussing.
As for Bankend, I have only just seen a Bankend marked on a very old map so I need to try to locate it on a ‘better’ map before I can say anything, but if it is the correct place then it is again in the north of the county.
Did you notice that in the census where William is an innkeeper (don’t remember the year) the next two households are also Routledge and I think they give Lanercost as birthplace (again, from memory). I wonder if they are relatives?
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Sorry
You are correct and James married Catherine Armstrong so another connected branch
My error
Looking at too many different lines of Routledge!
Apologies
Edith
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Update re information that everyone kindly sourced on my behalf and possibly sourcing Mary’s maiden name
One of the responses I received included the paragraphs listed below which mentioned George Routledge
I had no knowledge of George’s connection to my lineage of Routledge although he was in data as a Father in Law to another branch of my heritage
He was not attached to the earlier lines including John his wife Elizabeth or daughter Mary mother of Elizabeth Armstrong
George Routledge of Bankhead married Elizabeth Armstrong - in 1768 - who was Granddaughter of John Routledge and his wife Elizabeth Dodgson my 7th Great Grandparents
Elizabeth Armstrong was George’s second wife (first spouse Grace Routledge - married 1763)
Elizabeth would have been my 1st cousin 7x removed
Do not know how George connects to Mary Routledge spouse of William Wilson my 3rd Great Grandparents (their daughter Jane married Simon Kennedy and this is my direct line of Kennedy Ancestors via my Dad John Renwick Kennedy)
But I now believe that there is a link in some way so I will try and research the connection
Many thanks for all the replies to my initial appeal
Much appreciated
Edith
(On the 1835 tithe map of the parish of Bewcastle the owner and occupier of the plot named as Bankhead homestead is George Routledge.
added: that was a little cryptic, Bankhead Cottage was the abode of the parents of Jane at the baptism at Nether Knowe linked elsewhere.
added later: my mistake, the abode of Jane’s parents was Bankend Cottage not Bankhead.’)