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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: PatAussie on Monday 05 February 24 16:34 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I'm currently trying to trace my ancestor, a Swedish citizen that immigrated to Australia, JOHAN CEDERLUND.
I have his information in Australia, but the trail goes cold when we get to the arrival information, so it's preventing me from researching any further back into his country of origin, (Stockholm) Sweden.
It may have be a case of stolen identity upon arrival. :(
Some more information:
He died in 1907 (August 11?) in Corowa, NSW.
He never listed his parents on the Australian Marriage certificate.
He married Wilhelmine Henriette Dorothea Magthalena DANKEL (nee WALLMANN) on 28 Jun 1861 in Albury NSW.
Some random ships we thought he might have been on are:
'Pauline', arriving South Australia Dec 9, 1849
'Amelia Thompson' September 27, 1839
'Edward' April 12, 1842
Here is some research information that we received from a Swedish inquiry
"In my opinion this could be a case of theft of identification. Johan Adam, whom the Stockholm Stadsarkiv found in the 80-ies, seems to be living in Stockholm in 1861. The man in Australia stated that his father was a wine dealer (information found in the death certificate). In fact, there was a Johan Cederlund born on 30 April, 1825, as son to wholesale dealer Johan(nes) Cederlund and his wife Charlotta Rosenlind. But this Johan Cederlund lived in Stockholm, married there and died in 1909.
So to me it seems as if the man in Australia has taken the identification from the son of the wholesale dealer. Possibly, he could also have been illegitimate son of Johannes Cederlund."
Chris added to this that Johannes Cederlund belonged to the Cederlund family, famous for their Swedish punsch production."
Any new information would be greatly appreciated! Thanks :-*
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This would appear to be his death in the NSW BDM index:
1907 #8725, reg Corowa
John CEDERLAND
Parents: JOHN CHARLOTTE
There is an on-line tree which gives his confirmation? (I think!)
From: Finland, Communion Books, 1670-1917
Name Jöhan Gustaf Cederlund
Birth Date 27 heinä 1840 (27 Jul. 1840)
Confirmation Place Tampereen tuomiokirkkoseurakunta, Hämeenlinnan maakunta, Suomi (Finland)
Residence Place Finska:, Tammerfors Stads Församling, Suomi (Finland)
Relation to Head Scholaris
Volume Year Range 1838-1889
This tree suggests his birth was in Stockholm, Sweden
Judith
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It makes more sense that he came in to Sydney as he marries in NSW and by 1865 he had selected land in Albury NSW and had Timber licences by 1869 (Govt Gazette)
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Although his death and marriage were registered in NSW the towns he lived in were close to the Murray. These Riverina towns were closer to Melbourne than Sydney so he may well have arrived in Melbourne and made his way north. Many of the Murray towns have a ‘twin’ on the other side of the river eg Albury/Wodonga, Corowa/Wahgunyah and the traditional footy played in the area tends to be Aussie Rules (need I say more!) ::).
Judith
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He never listed his parents on the Australian Marriage certificate.
He would have been asked to name his parents but that information was not passed on to the registry. You just need to see the church record of the marriage.
https://catalogue.nla.gov.au/catalog/6152203
St. Matthew's Church, Albury, New South Wales. Marriages: 1851-1866
You can 'order a copy'.
The man in Australia stated that his father was a wine dealer (information found in the death certificate).
He didn't state anything, he was dead. It is quite likely that the informant was repeating information directly from the original marriage cert but you should check as some informants were prone to making things up.
How old was he when he died and how long does it say he had been in NSW?
Debra :)
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Thanks judb.. I forgot that Albury was on the border!
Makes sense to check Vic records more closely.
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How old was he when he died and how long does it say he had been in NSW?
Debra :)
The death certificate has him dying at age 78 (August 11, 1907 in the Corowa Hospital) approx 40 years in NSW.
Name and occupation of his parents: John Cederland - Wine Merchant. Charlotte Elliston.
The age of his kids listed are off by about 5 years.
This would appear to be his death in the NSW BDM index:
1907 #8725, reg Corowa
John CEDERLAND
Parents: JOHN CHARLOTTE
There is an on-line tree which gives his confirmation? (I think!)
From: Finland, Communion Books, 1670-1917
Name Jöhan Gustaf Cederlund
Birth Date 27 heinä 1840 (27 Jul. 1840)
Confirmation Place Tampereen tuomiokirkkoseurakunta, Hämeenlinnan maakunta, Suomi (Finland)
Residence Place Finska:, Tammerfors Stads Församling, Suomi (Finland)
Relation to Head Scholaris
Volume Year Range 1838-1889
This tree suggests his birth was in Stockholm, Sweden
Judith
Thanks! That matches the information on the death certificate that I have ie Corowa, parents names.
May I ask what online website had that tree information?
Although his death and marriage were registered in NSW the towns he lived in were close to the Murray. These Riverina towns were closer to Melbourne than Sydney so he may well have arrived in Melbourne and made his way north.
Judith
As far as I know he arrived in Melbourne (I got this information in the 80s from two researchers).
I'm also thinking of looking into his wife's first family, the Dankels (as mentioned in this thread).
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=316708.msg6096115#msg6096115It might bring up some more information.
Although, my aunty mentioned years ago, they didn't want anything to do with them once she remarried. Wilhelmine's kids married into Peterson and Berisford families (I'll add this information to the thread above).
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Hi
This is the Johan Gustaf Cederlund from the Confirmation record, born in Tammerfors, Finland - 3rd down on left page:
https://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/tampereen_tuomiokirkkoseurakunta/syntyneet_1816-1849_tk635/105.htm
Ian
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Parents:
Tailor journeyman Johan Cederlund and Maria Mattsdotter.
Ian
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The info re his communion came from an on-line tree on Ancestry, the reference listed as:
Finland, Communion Books, 1670-1917
There is an actual image of the record on the Ancestry page so it seems legit.
The on-line tree has no information re his arrival in Australia and the only other piece of information that I'm not sure if you have is a mention of (presumably) him in the
New South Wales, Australia, Government Gazettes, 1853-1899
1892 May-June
Listed in a section of the Gazette labeled "Country Letters" p439
218 Cederlune Jno, Culcairn (sic)
I don't know exactly what this entry is - perhaps unclaimed letters??
Some more spelling variations, but still in the same Riverina area (and no help in finding how he got here).. You may already have this which would appear to be the death of his son
1948 #19313
CEDELLAND, August aged 88 (thus b abt 1860)
Mother's family name at birth: WALDRON
Father's name: CEDELLAND John
Born at HOWLONG
Death registered WANGARATTA
Judith
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The info re his communion came from an on-line tree on Ancestry, the reference listed as:
Finland, Communion Books, 1670-1917
There is an actual image of the record on the Ancestry page so it seems legit.
Here is the original - top right:
https://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/tampereen_tuomiokirkkoseurakunta/rippilapset_1838-1887_tk636/28.htm
The left page is the list of Swedish children and the right for the Finnish children.
Ian
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Hi
This is the Johan Gustaf Cederlund from the Confirmation record, born in Tammerfors, Finland - 3rd down on left page:
https://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/tampereen_tuomiokirkkoseurakunta/syntyneet_1816-1849_tk635/105.htm
Ian
I didn't make it clear what this record was.
This is the birth record for Johan Gustaf Cederlund from the confirmation record.
Ian
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This Johan Gustaf Cederlund was still living in Finland in 1866 - bottom of page:
https://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/tampereen_tuomiokirkkoseurakunta/rippikirja_1860-1866_tk634-635/71.htm
Ian
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This Johan Gustaf Cederlund was still living in Finland in 1866 - bottom of page:
https://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/tampereen_tuomiokirkkoseurakunta/rippikirja_1860-1866_tk634-635/71.htm
Ian
Thanks for the information, the Johan I was trying to track was married in Albury in 1861, so I'm not sure that's the Johan I'm looking for (although you mentioned his parents were Tailor journeyman Johan Cederlund and Maria Mattsdotter).
Some more information that I found regarding his wife (Wilhelmine Henriette Dorothea Magthalena DANKEL)
She immigrated with Christian Dankel (along with two children). They arrived in Melbourne, VIC from Liverpool, UK in 1855 on the vessel 'Africa'.
Christian was working in Albury in 1857 (from the Border Post Albury) as a perruquier (wig maker).
He then died in 1861. His death certificate mentions his offspring as two being deceased, both female and two living.
The children were:
Minnie Dankel (1851- 1931) She died in Lidcombe, NSW aged 72. Her married name was Beresford and had 11 children.
Amelia Dankel. She died 19 April 1937 in Karrakatta, WA.
Then his widow married Johan Cederlund in 1861 and had three children.
My current angle of research is via his wifes family, the Dankels, to see if they have any information.