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Title: James Wallace-I have lost this line of the family!
Post by: lynbee on Sunday 11 September 05 04:21 BST (UK)
Hi,
I don't know if any one out there can help me, but I can find absolutely nothing on this line of my family tree.
the info I have is that 3 brothers came to NZ in 1846.
These brothers were Arthur Wallace, John A> McK. Wallace & James Wallace.

I have quite a bit of info on the first two, but can find nothing at all about James or what happened to him after he arrived in NZ.

This is what I do know about James:
B. Connor, Ireland in 1826. 
4/8/1844 - Enlisted in 65th Regiment, Private 2153, adged 17. Height 5'7.5".
3/8/1845 - Embarked on 'Samuel Boddington" as guard on convict ship to Van Diemens Land.
13/6/1846 - Transhipped to Sydney on 'Joseph Soames". Sailed for NZ on 'Levant"
25/7/1846 - Arrived in Wellington
1/8/1846 - Arrived Porirua Barracks on 'Calliope"
1847 - Transferred to Wanganui
3/12/1849- Sought discharge at Wanganui.
He may have shifted to Taranaki, but I could not be sure of that.

Does any one know what happened to him? Was he married when he came to NZ or did he marry here?  Does anyone think that they may be descended from James?
Or did he go back to Ireland?  ???  ???

Lack of mobility and finances prevent me from travelling to Wanganui to try to trace him and I am hoping that someone will be able to help me breakthrough this brick wall.

Thanks & God bless you all.
Regards
Lyn
Title: Re: **COMPLETED**James Wallace-I have lost this line of the family!
Post by: Nicky80 on Tuesday 08 November 11 02:47 GMT (UK)
Hi Lyn, I am unsure if it is the same James Wallace that you are looking for however my great great grandfathers name is James Wallace from Ireland. I only have limited information on him however I believe he was born in Ireland in the 1820's and came to Australia somewhere in the 1840's. From here he travelled with the British army to New Zealand and fought in the war there which we believe was in Wanganui. In the 1850's he moved to Tasmania married and had I think four sons one who was also called James which was my great grandfather who named his son James Wallace who is my grandfather. My mother has all the information post New Zealand if this is of interest as I know very little and have only started looking into James as my mother asked me to as she has hit a brick wall. I would be happy to put you in touch with her.

Regards,
Nicky.
Title: Re: **COMPLETED**James Wallace-I have lost this line of the family!
Post by: rose24 on Tuesday 08 November 11 05:53 GMT (UK)
Hi
I dont know if your James Wallace is the same one as I am looking for.

My James was supposed to be born about 1828 in Londonderry Northern Ireland.
He joined the british army and fought in the Maori Wars in New Zealand.
After his discharge from the army he travelled to Tasmania where he married  a Maria Brophy had 5 children
Maria died 1880 and he remarried a widow named Mary Smith nee Welsh.
They died within 3 weeks of each other in 1999 at Westbury Tasmania.

I know his Wallace grandparents lived at a place called Moneyreigh in county Down

Does this fit in with the James you are search

regards

Elizabeth Montgomery nee Wallace
Title: Re: **COMPLETED**James Wallace-I have lost this line of the family!
Post by: lynbee on Wednesday 09 November 11 08:55 GMT (UK)
Hi Nicky & Elizabeth,
Thanks for your replies.

I do not know if this is the same James Wallace.  What I do know is that my Ggg-grandfather William had a son James born in County Antrim, Ireland.  Family rumour has that he came to NZ along with his 2 older brothers, to fight the NZ Wars.  The common consensus  in the family, seems to be that they were all in the 65th Regiment. Records I have found does indeed show a James Wallace in the 65th Regiment, but whether he was the son of William, I haven't been able to establish.  He did travel via Tasmania & Sydney, so it could stand to reason that he may have headed that way when he left the army.
I have no idea when  or who he married, so it has been a nightmare trying to trace him.
Your James could well be the same man.
Do you know when he married Maria Brophy or what Regiment he was in? Have you found either of his marriage certs?
All I know about him is what is posted in my post above, so we need to find something that may tie them together.
The only other thing that may help, is if any of the descendants had McKain (McKane) as a 2nd/3rd name. It seems to be fairly common in our Wallaces.

Fingers crossed.
Regards,
Lyn
Title: Re: **COMPLETED**James Wallace-I have lost this line of the family!
Post by: rose24 on Thursday 10 November 11 00:24 GMT (UK)
Hello Lyn
Our James Wallace Married Maria Brophy in 1855 at West bury Tasmania.

Children :- 1. John Brophy Wallace 1856-1895
                  2. James 1857-1910
                  3.Michael J 1860
                  4. William Frederick 1860- 1945
                  5.Mary Ann 1863- 1879
Maria died 26/Aug/1888 she was 56 years
Maria , James and there son John Brophy are all burued in the same grave in Westrybury Cemetery
I dont have certifates for these events. I did go to Tasmania about 11years ago and found the entries on records in Launceston library.
Records in Tasmania before 1900 only give basic information.
I sent for my fathers birth certificate It had
Surname Wallace
Christian James Claude
Date 4 May 1886
Beaconsfield
Male
Father Wallace
James
 Labourer
Mother Amy Ann Wallace nee Purton

It doesnt mention his 3 elder sisters
or where or when the parents were married.
so i didnt bother getting any more

I will now send for James Wallaces death certificate we may be lucky it may list parents
I will let you know when i receive this
regards
Elizabeth montgomery

Title: Re: **COMPLETED**James Wallace-I have lost this line of the family!
Post by: lynbee on Thursday 10 November 11 03:45 GMT (UK)
Hi Elizabeth,
Thank you for that info.
Fingers crossed that the certificate gives us some more info.  I don't know if you can get electronic copies of death/marriage/birth certs in Aus. We have them here and they are cheaper than the certs and have more info.  They appear to be a photocopy of the original registration and the death ones here give parents names, number of children, marriage date, place of birth, etc. Old ones even say how long they had been in NZ.  It may be worth asking.
Either of his marriage certs should also give us his father's name., but if you can get the type of death cert we can, then it should give us his mother's name as well.  That way we really could be sure.
I am looking forward to hearing from you.
Blessings
Lyn
Title: Re: **COMPLETED**James Wallace-I have lost this line of the family!
Post by: rose24 on Wednesday 14 December 11 04:55 GMT (UK)
Hi from Elizabeth

I have received the copies of James Wallace  Death certificate died at Westbury Tasmania 3/3/1899

Also his marriage to Maria Brophy  4/7/1855 at the catholic church Westbury Tasmania.
 

Neither of these certificates give names of parents or children to the marriage.

If you let me have an email i can send copies to you.

regards Elizabeth Montgomery
Title: Re: **COMPLETED**James Wallace-I have lost this line of the family!
Post by: lynbee on Wednesday 14 December 11 11:25 GMT (UK)
Hi Elizabeth,
I will send you a personal message with my email addy.
Blessings
Lyn
Title: Re: **COMPLETED**James Wallace-I have lost this line of the family!
Post by: Manson on Tuesday 18 February 14 10:29 GMT (UK)
Hi
My GGGrandfather was John Alexander McKane Wallace, descended from William Wallace and Mary Wilson 1720, Antrim, Ireland. I am interested in any information you may have about the family.

Cheers Manson
Title: Re: **COMPLETED**James Wallace-I have lost this line of the family!
Post by: terrylove60 on Thursday 04 February 16 08:34 GMT (UK)
Hello, I am descended from Arthur Wallace, one of James Wallace's brothers. I've done an ancestry.com dna test, and loaded the raw data up onto gedmatch.com and ftdna.
Are there any descendants of James Wallace in Tasmania  out there that would like to do a dna test (I'm happy to pay for the dna test kit) so that we can prove if the James Wallace in Tasmania is the James Wallace that was here in New Zealand.
Cheers, Terry Love, Wellington New Zealand
Title: Re: James Wallace-I have lost this line of the family!
Post by: SusanWallace on Sunday 03 April 16 05:35 BST (UK)
John Alexander McCain Wallace was also my GGG grand father.

Manson - if you want more information about the family, I have a lot.
Title: Re: James Wallace-I have lost this line of the family!
Post by: SusanWallace on Sunday 03 April 16 05:38 BST (UK)
Terry Love - Chris Korte (who has a Wallace family tree page) worked out this James must be him as he was the only James Wallace discharged from the 65th Foot Regiment in NZ.
Title: Re: James Wallace-I have lost this line of the family!
Post by: terrylove60 on Sunday 03 April 16 06:38 BST (UK)
Hi Susan, Yes, I have seen Chris's page. Awesome piece of work. However, it is still theory at this stage. "he was the only James Wallace discharged from the 65th Foot Regiment in NZ" Yes - he may well have been, but there were other James Wallace's in New Zealand at the same time. There is no actual proof that he went to Tasmania, just some reasonable evidence. Enough that I have now added it to my tree, but all the same, I am uncomfortable about it at this stage. That is why I'm keen for one of the Tasmanian Wallace descendants to do a dna test, and see if it matches mine/other NZ Wallaces. Then it will be clearer. Also, maybe on Trove or in an old Tasmanian newspaper there may be an article written when James died. There certainly were articles in Wanganui Newspapers for his brother Arthur Wallace  and John Alexander McKane Wallace. Do you have any photo's of the 3 brothers in uniform? (or any photos of any of them in uniform?) Cheers, Terry
Title: Re: James Wallace-I have lost this line of the family!
Post by: SusanWallace on Sunday 03 April 16 08:11 BST (UK)
Hi Terry -  Chris has one of our GGG grandfather and his wife. I have been to visit Heads Road to see where they were buried. Which of their children was your GG grandparent? I am descended from James and Caroline. I did a trip around the North Island once and visited all of my ancestors graves - it was a moving experience.
Title: Re: James Wallace-I have lost this line of the family!
Post by: terrylove60 on Sunday 03 April 16 08:56 BST (UK)
I descend from Arthur Wallace (c 1821 - 1876) m Mary Plunkett. He is also buried at Old Heads Road, but there is no gravestone for him. I am about to rectify that. Arthur and Mary had 5 children: William, Richard, John Henry, Elizabeth, and Arthur (Archie). I descend from John Henry (1853-1932) m Ellen Pawson. He was an incredible man, and supported poorly by the Government of the day.
Title: Re: James Wallace-I have lost this line of the family!
Post by: SusanWallace on Sunday 03 April 16 11:12 BST (UK)
I was in touch briefly with another of Arthur's descendants. She lived here in Qld, Australia but didn't seem interested in hooking up.

I found Heads Road to be in a lot of disrepair - great you are going to have a headstone made for Arthur.

I only found John Alexander's grave because of a photo posted by another descendant. I took a copy with me so I could work out where it was.