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Hi
I believe that there is a death notice in the Whitby Gazette of Hannah Breckon who died on 29 June 1903 aged 72yrs.
Would anybody have an idea on how I can find out the wording of the death notice, any clues of where I can find a copy of the original newpaper.
Any idea or suggestion on finding the actual notice would be great. I think the notice is that of my GGGGMothers death
Cass
Sydney
Australia
Sydney
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Unless you can find someone who lives in Whitby and could look it up, your best bet would be to write to the local library. They should have a copy or be able to tell you where to find one.
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Hi there!
I’ve just started tracing my family tree and have found Breckons from Whitby, so thought I’d contact you.
From the dates given, Hannah was born around 1831, and seems to be the same one that appears on the 1841 census with parents Thomas (born c.1790) and Hannah senior (born c.1811). If I’ve gotten this correct, my GGG Grandmother Elizabeth Jane Breckon (born in Whitby c.1827) is her older sister or half sister.
I have been trying to find out more about the family, in particular, who Elizabeth’s mother was, and because there’s only a few years between their births, they could well have the same mother. Things are complicated by the fact that her father, Thomas Breckon, the local butcher and Inn Keeper, was widowed twice and married 3 times, fathering a total of 26 children. (I know all this from a historian’s research article, which although focussing on her husband, Matthew Walker - related to the Walker family in Whitby who apprenticed Captain Cook, gave some background on the Breckon family).
Did you manage to find that death notice and do you have her death certificate yet? I do know that Elizabeth immigrated to Australia some time in the 1850’s and ended up in Queensland. I’d love to hear from anyone who has connections to this branch of the family and will be happy to share any information I have.
Cheers,
Nikki.
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Hi Nikki
Since the post in 1995 I found my Ann/ Hannah. She died 29 June 1903 in Barnsley, her name was then Ann Pape.
During her life she married a number of times. Ann /Hannah was born a Bradshaw, married John Lane was widowed then married a John Clark, turned up on the 1871 census as Ann Guest by 1881 she was the wife of William Pape, 1891 and 1901 still Ann Pape a widow.
Back in 1995 I knew the date of death and that she was called Ann or Hannah I was hoping that the notice regarding Hannah Breckon was my Hannah.
Good luck on your search
Cass
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Hi Cass,
Thanks for your prompt reply and glad to hear you sorted out your Hannah!
I'm just wondering if you have a copy of that death notice, as I still believe it to be my GGG grandmother's sister. I will still try to find it if you don't have it, as it may give me a clue as to the mother of my Hannah.
Good luck to you too!
Nikki.
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Why not email the Whitby Library and ask them if they have the newspapers archived?
As you have an exact date it makes it much easier lookup assuming they have the papers.
charlotte
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Nikki
I never found a copy of the notice, in fact I cannot even remember how I found that there was one, it must have been as a result of a google search. Once I find what I am after I "bin" all the prints of search results, that are no longer relevent to my family
Cass
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Hi again,
Thanks anyway for that. I just thought I'd ask on the off chance that you had a copy. I didn't realize this was in 1995 - the date just says "05", so I'm surprised you remember anything about this at all!
I shall definitely contact the Whitby Library to see if there are copies of the Gazette, so thanks Charlotte for the suggestion. I really appreciate your input.
Best wishes,
Nikki.
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Have you seen the Jeff Knaggs site in which he has recorded lots of deaths for the end of the 19th century and beginning of the 20th. Found 2 Papes and lots of Breckons. Don't know if it will be of any use to you?
Regards
Scarbro
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jeffery.knaggs/YDB.html
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Nikki, Let us know how you get on with the Whitby Library please.
charlotte
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Hi!
Thanks a lot for the reference to Jeff Knaggs' site, and no I didn't know about it before. It is a wealth of information, and will be useful for some of my other research as well!
I'll let you all know how I fare with the Whitby Library. So far, I've only checked out their site to see what they have online.
Cheers,
Nikki.
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Hi, im going to the whitby library on Saturday will have a look for you,as i know they have old copies. Also the Whitby Gazette Office on bridge st, may be able to help, but I would try the library first. Best Wishes clive
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Hi, i called into the library today on the way to work, The original papers are at the Whitby Archives, to fragile to handel, the archivist will search for afee, the papers are also on microfiche at the library, i have booked a reader for Saturday morning, to check some PR, I will also look at film 12, which is the Whitby Gazette for 1903. I will let you know the result of a search, I do believe you can get photocopies from the fiche. Best Wishes Clive.
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Hi Clive,
Wow!
How amazingly nice of you to do that! Thank you so much.
Cheers,
Nikki.
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Hi, visited the library, as said, Friday3 July Gazette,,29 June at Westleigh,aged 72 years,Hannah, eldest daughter of the late Robert Breckon, solicitor. I have taken a photo copy of the original if you like it please send me a PM of your address and I will post it to you. Had a qucck glance of yol. 1 PR earlist Breckon 1643. Best Wishes Clive, From a very sunny Whitby.PS I can try to found out where Westleigh is and if still there photograph it for you.
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Hello Clive,
I hope you didn't go to too much trouble to find that information.
Unfortunately though, it seems from what you say, that this is not my direct line of Breckons. My Hannah's father was Thomas a butcher, not Robert a solicitor. Pity! I did see a reference to this Robert in the 1840 Whitby directory for trades and professions, and there are only a couple of other Breckons listed, so chances are they're all related somehow, so having that information would still be of interest if you don't mind sending it. Excuse my ignorance, but what's a "PM of my address" and also a "PR"? I'm new at this! I did find it really interesting that you say you found a record of a Breckon going back to 1643.
Thanks so much for your very kind offer to photograph Westleigh, but it's not really relevant to my research. I'm glad Whitby is so sunny - it must be beautiful. Melbourne is freezing at the moment!
Anyway, thanks so much for your trouble.
Cheers,
Nikki.
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Hi, Nikki, A PM is a private message. PR parish register, It was no trouble at all only to pleased to assist whenever possible. Roots chat is a wonderful site,The PR I was viewing was Ramsgate ,Kent, It would be easy if my family came from this area of Yorkshire, but I suppose you and others in OZ or elsewhere have it harder. if I can assist in any way I would if I can be only be to pleased. Best Wishes Clive
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Hi there!
I’ve just started tracing my family tree and have found Breckons from Whitby, so thought I’d contact you.
From the dates given, Hannah was born around 1831, and seems to be the same one that appears on the 1841 census with parents Thomas (born c.1790) and Hannah senior (born c.1811). If I’ve gotten this correct, my GGG Grandmother Elizabeth Jane Breckon (born in Whitby c.1827) is her older sister or half sister.
I have been trying to find out more about the family, in particular, who Elizabeth’s mother was, and because there’s only a few years between their births, they could well have the same mother. Things are complicated by the fact that her father, Thomas Breckon, the local butcher and Inn Keeper, was widowed twice and married 3 times, fathering a total of 26 children. (I know all this from a historian’s research article, which although focussing on her husband, Matthew Walker - related to the Walker family in Whitby who apprenticed Captain Cook, gave some background on the Breckon family).
Did you manage to find that death notice and do you have her death certificate yet? I do know that Elizabeth immigrated to Australia some time in the 1850’s and ended up in Queensland. I’d love to hear from anyone who has connections to this branch of the family and will be happy to share any information I have.
Cheers,
Nikki
Hi Nikki,
If you are still active in your research on the Breckon family of Yorkshire I would like to make contact. Elizabeth Jane Breckon is also my GG Grandmother.
Ray Thomas
hrat@optusnet.com.au
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Hi Ray,
Wow! Thanks so much for making contact – it’s great to hear we apparently have the same ancestor!
I haven’t done any research for over a year now, but I am happy to share what I have. For now, I’ll just cut and paste from my files and see if this is useful to you.
The small copyright symbol simply means that I have the certificate. I have summarised those certificates I possess, and corrected any obvious errors. As you can see, I’m missing her birth certificate. From memory, I did try to find it, but had no luck.
#27. ELIZABETH JANE WALKER (nee BRECKON)
Summary:
Born: c. 1829 or 1825, Whitby, Yorkshire, England.
Married: 11th Feb. 1853, to MATTHEW WALKER, Hartlepool, Durham ©
Died: 28th September 1901, Charters Towers, Queensland. ©
Details:
#27. ELIZABETH JANE WALKER (nee BRECKON) – BIRTH CERT. – 1827? - 1829? (-4 G) (Certificate #27a).
c. 1829 (from marriage cert.) or 1825 (from death cert.), Whitby, Yorkshire, England.
#27. ELIZABETH JANE WALKER (nee BRECKON) / #26. MATTHEW WALKER – MARRIAGE CERT. – 1853 (-4 G) (Certificate #27b) ©
1853, 11th February, United Presbyterian Chapel, Hartlepool, District of Stockton in Counties of Durham and York, England.
Groom: MATTHEW WALKER, 26 y.o., Mariner, of Everard St., Hartlepool; Father: JOHN WALKER, Mariner.
Bride: ELIZABETH JANE BRECKON, 25 y.o., of Alfred St., Hartlepool; Father: THOMAS BRECKON, Butcher.
#27. ELIZABETH [JANE] WALKER (nee BRECKON)- DEATH CERT.-1901(-4 G)
(Certificate #27c). ©
1901, 28th September, 76 y.o, married, Bride [Brisk] Street, Charters Towers, Qld.
Born: Whitby, Yorkshire, England, 46 years in Qld.
Parents - Father: BRECKE
Marriage: Whitby, Yorkshire, England at 25 years, to MATTHEW WALKER.
Children: JOHN THOMAS (40), HANNAH JANE COATES (37), MATTHEW (34), ELIZABETH (31).
Burial or cremation: 28th September 1901, Charters Towers Cemetery.
Censuses:
I did also find her on the 1841 Census aged 13 and born in Yorkshire. She is living with her father Thomas (butcher aged 60) and what I presume is her mother Hannah (the ages show some discrepancy) and a host of seven siblings. I could not find her in the 1851 census where she still would have been single, not marrying until 1853 and thereafter, she would have been in Australia. (I did manage to find some of her siblings in one or two later censuses).
So, I hope this of use. I’m curious as to how you descend from her, so please write details!
Cheers,
Nikki.
P.S., What part of Australia are you in? Most of my family descended from the Breckons are in Queenland.
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Hi Nikki,
I live in Canberra. I am descended from John Thomas Walker - Eldest son of Matthew Walker and Elizabeth Jane Breckon.
Contact me direct via email and I can supply many more details.
Ray
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Nikki, I've just come across your post from Nov 2010. I am interested in one of Thomas Breckon's daughters, Hannah, who married william Sleightholm WHITE in 1860. Elizabeth Jane was one of the witnesses. Did you know about 32 year old Thomas Breckon who died in September 1846 when he was run over by a railway wagon (I have his Death Certificate)?
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Hi Dorothy!
Thanks so much for your reply. This Breckon family has got me totally stumped - far too many children and wives (23 or 26 kids and 2 wives!) and people with the same names.
I have three generations of Thomas Breckons, but none of them seem to match with your dates: (Yours would have been born in 1814, yeah?).
1. Born: 1781, Egton; Died: after 1851.
2. Born: 1825, Whitby; Died: ?
3. Born: 1844, Whitby; Died: 1859.
Do you connect with any of these?
I also have two generations of Hannahs:
1. Born: c. 1812, Scarborough.
2. Born: 1832, Whitby.
Does this resonate with your information? I'd still love a copy of your certificate, if that's OK; I don't think I can offer you much in return though! I'm sure our families tie in somewhere, but for now, I'm still stumped.
Cheers,
Nikki.
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Hi Nikki. I'm going away for a week and don't have much time before I go but will get back to you when I return. Sorry to keep you in suspense!!!
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Hi Nikki
I have tried to email you several times on the address you gave me, but they keep bouncing back. :-(
I found your Elizabeth Jane in the 1851 census, living at 5 Victoria Place, Whitby (I think that's just off Baxtergate) in the household of 60 year old Hugh SCOTT, a blind unmarried proprietor of houses, and his two sisters - Eleanor CHARLTON, 70, and Margaret WALKER, 62. They are both widows. (I wonder if the name Walker is significant, given that Elizabeth Jane was to marry Matthew in 1853.) EJ is 23, a niece of Hugh Scott, and a House servant.
I also notice in FamilySearch that Thomas Breckon married Hannah Scott on 17 July 1820 in Whitby - his first wife I guess?
Happy hunting - I look forward to hearing from you.
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Hi Nikki
I am not related but am researching the Walker and Hoffman families for a friend. I live in Burrum HeadsQld
Marlene