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Herbert YORK b 1889 Greenwich. married 1914 Bromley to Florence Annie BATES b 1887 Bromley
I am stuck with this family.
Can't go back can't go forward as I need I think the 1921 census
Sons as found on FreeBDM are Geoffrey Herbert York b 1916 and and Keith York b 1921. There should perhaps also be a daughter Elizabeth.
Please is anyone can help it will be mightily appreciated
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If this is him he appears to be with his parents in 1911.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWRD-9GL
Colin
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YORK, LEWIS WILLIMOTT
GRO Reference: 1887 J Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 1110
YORK, HERBERT WILLIMOTT
GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 1114
Colin
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The 1921 is not of much use, just gives the three members - Herbert, Florence and Geoffrey.
The marriage certificate may be of more use as it should give you the fathers' names.
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Marriages Dec 1864
York Robert Greenwich 1d 1135
Willimott Ann
Colin
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There is only one birth of a Herbert York registered Greenwich in the right timeframe
Births Jun 1889
York Herbert Greenwich 1d 1114 mother's maiden name Willimott
And only one Florence Annie Bates registered Bromley Dec 1887 2a p 423 mmn Hayter
1921 is pay per view, so you have as much access as anyone else.
1891 census Herbert with parents Robert York b 1841 and Annie in Greenwich, father is a butcher.
Robert York married Ann Willimott Greenwich Dec quarter 1864
There just seems to be one Bates/Hayter marriage too
Marriages Mar 1880
Bates James Bromley 2a 445
Hayter Mary Ann Bromley 2a 445
1901 census Bates family are in Bromley, James is a gardener originally from Devon.
1891 census James' first name is completely different! Looks like Cockburn.
That should be enough to get you further back, though if it was me I would confirm father's details by getting the York/Bates marriage certificate.
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I can't see the family in 1939 and they may have been abroad.
Keith died in 1921
Several trees on Ancestry.
Geoffrey, born on 22nd August 1916, died on 25th May 1986 in Rhodesia.
He married Constance Elizabeth Turner on 7th September 1940 in Salisbury, Southern Rhodesia.
She died on 25th may 1996, in Boxburg, South Africa.
Son Geoffrey Dennis, born 29 September 1948 in Bulawayo and died 23 March 2018 in Nottingham
Wife, Doreen Higgins, b in South Africa 1951, and died in Nottingham in 2018.
Both on the Electoral Register in Nottingham in 2014.
Joan Florence (Registered Joan Mary) York, born 1924 and died 2009 in South Africa.
Married Geoffrey Beswetherick, born 1921 in England and died 1991 in Pietermaritzburg, KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa.
Son, Alan Geoffrey, born 3 March 1946 in Taunton and died 27 January 2011 in Carshalton Surrey.
David
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Oh my Golly gosh!
A million THANK YOUs
So much to go on and so fast too.
Wow! You are all amazing
Enough to keep me busy for a long while
THANK YOU,THANK YOU,THANK YOU
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Herbert occ metal worker, Florence and Joan York
Proposed address in UK 18 Fashoda Road Bromley Kent
Port of Departure Durban, South Africa
Arrival Date 6 Jan 1936
Port of Arrival Southampton
Ports of Voyage Durban; East London; Port Elizabeth; Cape Town and Madeira
Ship Name Kenilworth Castle
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All other children of Robert York and Ann nee Willimott - all registered Greenwich with mother's maiden name Willimott
Anne Elizabeth 1865
Robert 1867
Eleanor Beatrice 1869
Emily Sarah 1870
Jessie 1872 (female)
Ernest 1875 -died 1875
Arthur 1876 - died 1880 age 4
May 1878 (Willimatt) (1881 census she is Mary)
Clara 1880
Selina 1882 -died 1883 Buried 9 March- Greenwich
Lewis 1887
Herbert 1889
EDITED to add death dates
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Herbert York originally went to South Africa before 1928 (going back 1936 as found by fiddlerclass)
He arrives London from Rhodesia 27 December 1928 he is aged 39 -Sheet Metal Worker
Ship Dunluce Castle.
His dob possibly 31 May 1899.
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Lewis York married Annie Dorothy Margarete Wright 14 September 1912 had a son Horace Lewis on 21 December 1914
Ref: WWI enlistment record on ancestry - he was discharged 1919.
DOB 30 April 1887 he died 1972.
Bap. 29 March 1901 of Couthurst Street, Greenwich, at Holy Trinity Lambeth.
Note Herbert was bap. the same day
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Annie Elizabeth bap 22 April 1866 St Mary Magdalene Greenwich never married died 1948
1947 Electoral register at 22 Couthurst Street - Annie and her sister Clara York
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Jessie York bap 29 December 1872 Holy Trinity Lambeth never married . Died 1930 age 52
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Clara York bap 9 May 1880 Holy Trinity Lambeth, never married/ housekeeper in 1939 gave DOB as 7 March 1880. Living with her sister Annie 1947 see above.
1965 Electoral register 22 Couthurst Street.
Death registration Bromley Kent 1978 age 98.
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May York bap 11 August 1878 Holy Trinity Lambeth of 6 Bowater Cottages. 1901/1911 she is a servant.
Not yet found her after that.
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Arthur bap 3 Feb. 1876 Holy Trinity Lambeth
Selina bap 8 October 1882 same
Ernest bap 31 January 1875 same
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Robert bap 30 May 1869 Holy Trinity Lambeth of 11 Laughton Terrace. He married Eliza Rebecca Brown 4 August 1890 - St John the Evangelist Greenwich.
His wife Eliza Rebecca died 1924
He died 27 January 1927. Probate index.
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Eleanor Beatrice was bap 30 May 1869 Holy Trinity Lambeth. Married Charles Francis Walter Joyce 10 August 1891 St John the Evangelist Greenwich. Witness her sister Jessie York.
She married 2nd widowed 20 December 1901 to Henry William Choat -widower at St Mary Bexley Kent. Witness was her sister May Yorke.
She died a widow 19 February 1932. Probate Index
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Emily Sarah Yorke bap 26 March 1871 of 5 Bowater Cottages.
Not found further information
The one who died 1921 is the wife of Phillip of Camberwell age 50 so not your Emily Sarah Yorke.
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The father Robert York died 24 September 1924 Ref: Probate Index
Address 22 Couthurst Street. admin to widow Ann York.
Ann York died 12 December 1936 at 22 Couthurst Street. Ref Probate Index, admin to son Lewis York.
Lewis was a solicitors clerk so it makes sense.
Robert and Ann married 26 December 1864
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Herbert occ metal worker, Florence and Joan York
Proposed address in UK 18 Fashoda Road Bromley Kent
Port of Departure Durban, South Africa
Arrival Date 6 Jan 1936 Port of Arrival Southampton
Ports of Voyage Durban; East London; Port Elizabeth; Cape Town and Madeira
Ship Name Kenilworth Castle
Added for info.
Mr H York age 45 occ metal worker
Last address in UK 18 Fashoda Road Bromley Kent
Ship depature port Southampton 31 Jan 1936
Destination country South Africa
Ship name Warwick Castle
possible departure of his wife & daughter different UK address Station House Aylesford Kent
Mrs F A York 48
Miss J M York 11
Ship departure port London May 1936
Departure port London
Destination port Cape South Africa
Ship name Llanstephan Castle
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Joan Florence (Registered Joan Mary) York, born 1924 and died 2009 in South Africa.
Married Geoffrey Beswetherick, born 1921 in England and died 1991 in Pietermaritzburg, KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa.
Son, Alan Geoffrey, born 3 March 1946 in Taunton and died 27 January 2011 in Carshalton Surrey.
They Beswetherick’s travelled with their two children aboard ship Llangibby Castle on 2 Oct 1951
Last residence in UK Penzance
view record here https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:68PK-HXKX
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Amazing amount of help. Thank you.
I have ordered the marriage certificate as suggested and will get back to you all with that info.
Familysearch format has changed so much since I last used it ...I need to take a beginners course again. :)
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Image of the marriage certificate of Robert York to Ann Willimott is on ancestry
Robert York - full age - Butcher - Greenwich father Lewis York - Gardener
Ann Willimott - minor - of Greenwich father John Willimott - Farmer
Witness Ann Glaffen and John Lubbock Rushbrooke
All signed their names.