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Hello
I'm trying to find what happened to some ancestors where I've come up against a brick wall and I'm hoping some 'fresh eyes' maybe able to help!
The one I'm looking for at the moment is my 2x great aunt Rosina Thompson. What I do know is:
Born: 1869 Bedminster, Bristol
Baptised: 26th March 1870 Bedminster
Father: Edward Thompson
Mother: Elizabeth Hanford
The last document I found her in was the 1891 census, living with her parents, Victoria Road, Bristol. Her father is shown as a licensed victualler. Her occupation was shown as a school teacher, which I hoped would help me, but it hasn't. Her father died 1896 but I've not yet been able to confirm when her mother died.
I've tried to discover if she carried on teaching or married but I've not been able to narrow it down to anyone it could be. I'm probably missing something obvious but would appreciate it if anyone could point me in the right direction!
Many thanks
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Her father died 1896 but I've not yet been able to confirm when her mother died.
Probate entry for Elizabeth Thompson wife of Edward of The Fox Tavern Victoria Road died 1 March 1895. Administration to Edward licensed victualler.
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I think she married a William James PARSLEY (marriage Jul-Sep 1908 Bristol 6a 292) and died 9 Dec 1939.
PARSLEY Rosina of Gladstone Villa Wrington Somersetshire died 9 Dec 1939 (wife of William James Parsley) Probate Bristol 5 Feb 1940 to James Roberts THOMPSON retired superintendent.
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I wondered about that one but ruled it out for some reason, will check again.
Birthdate for her is 11 Oct 1866.
If we could find that one in 1901 before marriage it might confirm.
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Thank you all!
I've been looking at your suggestions, marrying William Parsley is possible, couldn't find the church marriage record for this on Ancestry where they have Bristol records which is a shame as it would show her father's name which would confirm it.
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William has a different wife Mary in 1901 and the daughter in 1911 was hers (theirs)
I can't find any other marriages or deaths between 1891/1901 even using different spellings of the names :-\
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She is not the William Parsley marriage. That 1866 birth reg shows mmn as Bradbear. 1871 shows parents as James Roberts Thompson & Mary Ann
There is a Rosina Thompson death 1913 Bristol aged 45. Still looking for a 1911 entry
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Maybe yours emigrated after the death of her parents, have you looked on passenger lists for her?
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From further research with census and birth records, I think the Rosina who married William Parsley was the daughter of a James Roberts Thompson, so not your one.
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Thanks for the possible probate for her mother Elizabeth. I've just purchased the digital GRO death record hoping it may show Rosina as being there at the death but that's now thrown another spanner in the works!
Rosina's older married sister Elizabeth was the informant who would be my great grandmother.
However my Elizabeth Thompson married Albert Hardwell in 1891 but the informant on the death record is Elizabeth Perrin!
This is really strange because I have Elizabeth and Albert's marriage record, her father was Edward Thompson and in previous censuses was shown as a beer retailer, living York House.
I'm so confused now!
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From further research with census and birth records, I think the Rosina who married William Parsley was the daughter of a James Roberts Thompson, so not your one.
St Luke, Bedminster
Rosina Thompson
Father James Robert Thompson
Mother Mary Ann
Baptism date 30 Dec 1866
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Re: the possibility of Rosina emigrating, I've not been able to narrow that down, far too many possibilities.
Have to leave for bit, my grocery shopping has arrived early! Will be back asap.
Thank you so much for all your advice up to now, it really is a difficult one!
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Yes agreed that one wasn't her sadly.
There is a Rosina Thompson who died in 1913 Bristol age 45 but no other info to establish more.
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Edward Thompson on the marriage register (28 Mar 1891 for Elizabeth Thompson and Albert Hardwell) has his occupation listed as a boot finisher.
There is a marriage on 29 Sep 1887 for an Elizabeth Ann Thompson to a Walter George Perrin in St Philip and St Jacob, Bristol and her father is Edward Thompson a Victualler.
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Long shot and can't find records to check it out but marriage 1903 Cheltenham Glos
Rosina Thompson to George Edwin Lane
(have matched the other couple up)
They are on electoral registers in Cheltenham 1920 - 1929
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In 1911 Elizabeth and Walter Perrin have living with them a niece called Christine Williams, single, born c1886 in Bristol, Gloucestershire and she is a schoolmistress for the school board.
Just checked, that is no help for the Thompson side of things, Christine's mother is Annie nee Perrin.
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1911 census for Rosina Lane showing place of birth as Wincanton, Somerset
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWM9-KGN
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So, if your Elizabeth is the one who married Albert Hardwell, her address on the marriage cert 28 March 1891 is 35 Weare St, Bedminster.
1891 census for that address includes this family
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WRQ5-L6Z
Rosina Harriet born St Paul's as was Elizabeth Hardwell
parish marriage St Matthew Bristol 25 July 1886
Henry Richard George Wyatt 22 bach furnace man 21 Penn St father George Wyatt engine fitter
Rosina Harriett Thompson 21 spin 21 Penn St father Edwin Thompson (dec) riveter
witnesses George Wyatt, Albert Hardwell & Elizabeth Thompson.
Rosina seems to have been baptised more than once, but parents noted as Edwin Thompson & Elizabeth Barry on both
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2Z7-RRN8
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6CBP-TQWM
and at same time in 1872 sister Elizabeth
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2Z7-RRR9
1871 census for the sisters, father Edwin noted as shoemaker
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5RK-FQ9
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A Richard and Rose H Wyatt are in the 1921 census in Bedminster with two adult sons.
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death registered: Q1 1939 Bristol, Rosina H Wyatt, age 72
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Hello all
Sorry for the delay in getting back, thank you so much for all the new information for me to follow up on! Fresh eyes looking at this has certainly helped.
I will look in to them all and let you know how I get on. Because of the married daughter Elizabeth Perrin, I found on the 1895 death of Elizabeth Thompson, it's confusing everything!
Albert Hardwell is definitely my ancestor and he married an Elizabeth Thompson. As haliared pointed out, their marriage recorded showed Elizabeth's father as a boot finisher, I was beginning to think Rosina's family were different Thompsons but that can't be true as her birth record shows her mother's maiden name was Hansford the same as Elizabeth.
I will look into it all and hopefully be able to start to unravel it. But if anyone finds anything else it would be greatly appreciated!
Kind regards
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If you have access to the 1939 register you can find the three Wyatt sons – one married with two children – all at the same address in Bedminster Road.
I found them by searching for Frederick T Wyatt 1888.
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1881 census at 21 Penn Street as per Rosina Harriett's marriage
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27X-XQ58
Likely death reg
Edwin Thompson 43 dec qtr 1872 Bristol vol 6a pg 20
His death may have prompted the R.C. baptisms in Dec 1872, at St Nicholas of Tolentino, Lawford's Gate
Isabelle https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2Z7-RT67 dob given as 22 Dec 1871
Edwin https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2Z7-RTQQ dob 28 Aug 1869
dob for Rosina Harriett 14 Dec 1864 and that of Elizabeth 23 April 1867
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Thank you for the further details, yes I have access to the 1939 register so will look into that too.
It does make me wonder if there were 2 lots of Thompson families with similar names for their children etc in the same area and I may have to investigate the alternative one.
Really helpful, thank you so much. - I want to solve this to make sure I have the correct family in my tree!
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Hello
Here is an update after spending some time looking at all the fantastic information you found for me. I believe that looking for my elusive aunt Rosina, I've discovered that her sister, my great grandmother Elizabeth, is different to the one I had in my tree. So I have amendments to do!
I looked backwards at the info I have on her that I know are correct, i.e. her 1929 death certificate given to me by her grandaughter and then the 1921 census where she stated being born in St Pauls, Bristol. This, along with her birth year, was entered on most censuses which has led me to believe the Thompson family she came from is the one osprey found!
The Catholic baptisms of the 4 children, Rosina Harriet b1865, Elizabeth b1867, Edwin b1869 & Isabella b1872, also tied in with the details. Their father Edwin died 1872 which, as you pointed out, probably led their mother Elizabeth Barry to get them all baptised. (I've just found her own Catholic baptism in Bristol on 11th November 1835, she was born on the 6th September. Her mother's name was Harriet which is the second name of Rosina.)
I've not been able to find Edwin and Elizabeth's marriage, maybe they were not able to marry at the time because he wasn't a Catholic?
I found Edwin in the 1851 census as a lodger working as a shoemaker, which again ties in with the info you found. I couldn't find him in the 1861 census then they were together as a family in 1871 where he was a shoemaker again. He died in 1872 just after the birth of Isabella.
In 1881 his widow Elizabeth was working as a charwoman, but I've not yet been able to find her prior to the 1871 census or after 1881.
I will now need to look into Rosina's marriage to Henry Wyatt and their descendants when I'm sure I've not made any errors!
Other than 'Edwin' being shown as 'Edward' in my great grandparents, Albert Hardwell & Elizabeth Thompson' marriage record, everything seems to match, unless anyone can see anything I've missed!
Thank you again for all your help it's much appreciated - but please let me know if I've got any of it wrong!
Kind regards
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likely marriage reg
Edwin Thomson june qtr 1863 Clifton vol 6a pg 276 with Elizabeth Berry on the same page
I found an army record for Edwin which gave his age as 22 when he attested in 1855, a shoemaker born in St Paul's. He served 4 years 232 days, of which 1 year 7 months was in 'Australian colonies'.
The age on enlistment may point to this 1841 census in St Paul's
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7M4-X2V
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Brilliant thank you, that must be their marriage.
Great find with his military record, explains why I couldn't find him in the 1861 census. Thank you for detailing length of service etc, I'm struggling to decipher some of the wording!
I'd just found the 1841 census and was wondering if that was Edwin so thank you for that too :)
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well, he should be on the 1861 census somewhere as left the army in 1860 but young men in lodgings were the most likely not to be enumerated.
In addition to the 2 RC baptisms, there's this CoE one for Rosina as well
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTSH-XDJ
Elizabeth is on the 1891 census as Thomson with son Edwin, both lodgers RG12/1960 folio 16 pg 25. Haven't spotted her on the 1901 as yet.
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Thank you, it looks like the children may have been baptised CofE then Catholic after the death of their father.
Great find in the 1891 census! I'm going to keep digging today to try to find when Elizabeth died and follow up on their children.
Thank you so much for continuing to search!