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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: erika on Tuesday 23 January 24 15:53 GMT (UK)

Title: Mansfield Street, Southwark
Post by: erika on Tuesday 23 January 24 15:53 GMT (UK)
Good Afternoon

I was just wondering if anyone has any information about Mansfield Street in Southwark.
I have a birth in 1873, which I can't find registered . However on the 1911 census the lady gives her birthplace as Mansfield Street, London.
Was there a house there that maybe was for unmarried mothers, the mother herself coming from a village in Essex and aged about 25 at the time of the birth

Would be grateful for any help

Erika
Title: Re: Mansfield Street, Southwark
Post by: Milliepede on Tuesday 23 January 24 15:57 GMT (UK)
Could you give the name of the lady? 

Is she with any family on census?
Title: Re: Mansfield Street, Southwark
Post by: Watson on Tuesday 23 January 24 16:11 GMT (UK)
Erika, I agree it would help to have the person's name, if possible.

An 1875 directory shows that Mansfield Street was at 113 Borough Road.  The only institution mentioned there was "London School Board School".

However, there were two other Mansfield Streets in London.  Are you sure you have the right one?

Title: Re: Mansfield Street, Southwark
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 23 January 24 16:24 GMT (UK)
Lilian M H D Digby  :-\

married in 1906

Digby    Gerald Fitzmaurico       
LIDDELL    Lilian Mary H D       
Marylebone    1a   1360   
Title: Re: Mansfield Street, Southwark
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 23 January 24 16:26 GMT (UK)
Birth Mar qtr 1872 
Liddell    Lilian Mary H D        Marylebone    1a   519
Title: Re: Mansfield Street, Southwark
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 23 January 24 16:28 GMT (UK)
In 1871 her parents are in the household after  Gunningham Sutton at No 9 Mansfield street, Marylebone
Title: Re: Mansfield Street, Southwark
Post by: ShaunJ on Tuesday 23 January 24 16:34 GMT (UK)
I don't think it's that one Rosie. That noble lady's birth is well documented.

I'm guessing this one is Lucy Florence Barker. In the 1911 census as Florance Barker.

Whoever has added "Mansfield Street" has also added "N E" which indicates the one off Kingsland Road, not the one in Southwark.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/2352/images/rg14_10196_0355_03?pId=53380011
Title: Re: Mansfield Street, Southwark
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 23 January 24 16:38 GMT (UK)
It was worth a try though Shaun and it kept the grey cells working   ;D

Title: Re: Mansfield Street, Southwark
Post by: erika on Tuesday 23 January 24 17:03 GMT (UK)
Wow so many replies, thank you and Shaun you have the correct person.
So Kingsland Road, I'll have a look there. Are there houses there that maybe are the sort that unmarried mothers went to ?

Thank you
Erika
Title: Re: Mansfield Street, Southwark
Post by: ShaunJ on Tuesday 23 January 24 17:15 GMT (UK)
It's Shoreditch.

This is from the 1869 PO Directory:

Title: Re: Mansfield Street, Southwark
Post by: erika on Tuesday 23 January 24 17:30 GMT (UK)
Thank you Shaun. No names on there that ring any bells I'm afraid.
It's such a mystery, no birth registered and her mother Ellen Barker comes from a village in Essex called Woodham Mortimer. She was there in 1871 census. She didn't have an occupation so nothing to use as a clue to why she may have gone to London.
Lucy(Florence?) Barker had a strange life going on to have an illegitimate daughter herself and then being a housekeeper in the 1911 census and subsequently having children with her employer!!
Love all these challenges

Erika
Title: Re: Mansfield Street, Southwark
Post by: Milliepede on Saturday 27 January 24 10:01 GMT (UK)
Quote
no birth registered

Do you have her exact date of birth from anywhere? **

Did she ever marry?

** 15 May 1873 if she was housekeeper to Frederick Brand
Title: Re: Mansfield Street, Southwark
Post by: Milliepede on Saturday 27 January 24 10:07 GMT (UK)
Is she Lucy Royce 7 in 1881 with

Jonathan Royce 24
Ellen Royce 26
William E Royce
Title: Re: Mansfield Street, Southwark
Post by: hanes teulu on Saturday 27 January 24 10:43 GMT (UK)
Mansfield Road, off Kingsland Road - see bottom left hand corner -
https://maps.nls.uk/view/101201478
Title: Re: Mansfield Street, Southwark
Post by: erika on Saturday 27 January 24 12:16 GMT (UK)
Thanks milliepede for your interest.
You have the correct person in 1881. Never found a birth registration and although she was the mother of the Brand children, have never found a marriage  for her. Her death certificate has her as
Lucy Brand Barker , widow of George Brand Barker and her daughter Beatrice Brand Ward ( nee Barker ) registered it.
In the 1939 register she is listed as single.
Such a mysterious lady !!!

Thank you also hanes teulu for the map

erika