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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: Carbostar on Saturday 20 January 24 09:45 GMT (UK)
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Is it possible to obtain a birth certificate if you have that person's death certificate?
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What country does this relate to?
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It’s not quite as simple as that & we really need more info to answer your question.
There were no birth certs pre 1.7.1837 so you need to tell us when they died & how old they were.
If they died from 1969 onwards a full birthdate will be given on the death cert.
If they were born before 1939 and died before 1969 you can check their birthdate on the 1939 register
Would be simpler if you gave us full details
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CaroleW's post is true of England & Wales.
Different rules apply in Scotland or Ireland.
I see that most of your posts apply to Scotland?
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Sorry I wasn't more specific, I wasn't trying to be evasive,it was just a random thought,
But to elaborate I'm still trying to track down a great grandparent x3
I have quite a lot of information when he arrived in England, residency, marriage, and of course death and place of burial, and Im happy with this information, but I can find no information at all, as to his place of birth and that of parents.
A particular red herring, is on the marriage certificate, that of his father Hugh ? and after lots of hunting, I can't find any evidence to support this claim that its his Father, maybe an uncle or even his Brother.
As you pointed out I stand little chance of finding the birth certificate of my 3x grandfather as the dob is 1835,
Duncan McGregor 1835-1887 last known address Barony parish, (married in 1854) Rebecca Dennis 1835-1898, living in Southwick, Sunderland, Co Durham .
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What place of birth is mentioned on the censuses?
Where did the marriage take place?
Scottish records will be found on ScotlandsPeople.gov.uk
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A particular red herring, is on the marriage certificate, that of his father Hugh ? and after lots of hunting, I can't find any evidence to support this claim that its his Father, maybe an uncle or even his Brother.
Duncan McGregor 1835-1887 last known address Barony parish, (married in 1854) Rebecca Dennis 1835-1898, living in Southwick, Sunderland, Co Durham .
What occupation was given for his father Hugh?
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Could this be a possibility for Hugh McGregor ???
Hugh McGregor
Role Accused
Crime Committed Theft By Housebreaking, and Prison-Breaking
Trial Date 24 Apr 1839
Trial Location Perthshire, Scotland
Court House Perth
Verdict Guilty: Guilty in Terms of Own Confession - Theft By Housebreaking
Sentence Transportation - 7 Years
Notes The Advocate Depute Passed From the Remaining Charges.
Related Trial Papers Jc26/1839/27
Related Precognitions Ad14/39/61
It looks as if this might be the same person occ journeyman shoemaker
Hugh McGregor
Residence Doune, Kilmadock, Perthshire
Role Accused
Crime Committed Theft By Housebreaking, and Prison-Breaking
Trial Date 1839
Trial Location Scotland
Additional Information journeyman shoemaker
Related Trial Papers Ad14/39/61
Web: Scotland, High Court Criminal Indexes, 1790-1919
Does this occupation appear on Duncan’s m/c?
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Don’t know if this relates to above Hugh
Hugh Mcgregor
Vessel Eden
Convicted Date 22 Apr 1840
Voyage Date 8 Jul 1840
Colony New South Wales
Place of Conviction Inverness, Inverness-shire, Scotland
Australian Convict Transportation Registers – Other Fleets & Ships, 1791-1868
Edited to add some further info on this Hugh who was transported on Vessel Eden
Hugh McGregor Age 35 occ Farm Labourer married 2 male children 1 female
Date of Conviction 22 Apr 1840
Place of Conviction Inverness
Vessel Eden
Port of Arrival New South Wales
Date of Arrival 18 Nov 1840
Stealing Sheep sentence 14 years
New South Wales, Australia, Convict Indents, 1788-1842
Hugh McGregor Age 44
Spouse M(H)elen Connor
Request Status Granted
Date of Permission/Refusal 14 Apr 1849
New South Wales, Australia, Registers of Convicts' Applications to Marry, 1826-1851
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Cabostar - thank you for the PM and letting me know that Hugh's occupation was a shoemaker.
I've added it here to help anyone else whose looking.
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Ladyhawk
I would love to think so .
But my Hugh McGregor was sentenced to 3 month for larceny, in Durham in 1855, Duncan and Rebecca were married in Co Durham in 1854, I was kind of thinking he was the same Hugh McGregor, but I couldn't find anymore information ,only because of my ineptitude.
I have the census for around that period with Duncan & Rebecca living in Southwick, or hartlepool I can't remember which, and I thought there would be a mention of Hugh,
But the only other family mention was their first born daughter Salina 1858-1913, there were more, sons and daughters, but no mention of a Hugh .
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The 1861 census for Duncan shows birthplace as BarnParish Scotland
I see you replied back in 2021 on this thread
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=593882.9
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my Hugh McGregor was sentenced to 3 month for larceny, in Durham in 1855
Duncan and Rebecca were married in Co Durham in 1854, I was kind of thinking he was the same Hugh McGregor, but I couldn't find anymore information ,only because of my ineptitude.
Could this be the same Hugh McGregor? - no age or occupation given ???
Hugh McGregor
Date of Trial 26 Feb 1864
Location of Trial Durham
Sentence Imprisonment
England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
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Ladyhawk
Thank you very much or your interest
I have a few newspaper cuttings they mention Hugh McGregor, I'll try and attach them, not sure how to interpret them, as I can only see dates and not a year, that's why I was thinking a brother or a cousin ?
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Not sure I've read your comment right - you don't know the years of the articles?
The first article is from Mar 1900 and the second two are from Feb 1864 and March 1864.
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Gang yam
No sorry I couldn't see the year only a day date ?
Someone sent them I didn't find them myself.
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Should have said which newspapers the articles appeared in.
First one was in Sunderland Daily Echo and Shipping Gazette on 1 March 1900. There is also a similar articled in Durham County Adviser on 2 March 1900
The other two are The Newcastle Guardian and Tyne Mercury 27 Feb 1864
Newcastle Journal 27 Feb 1864
and there is also an article in Newcastle Courant 4 March 1864