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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Limerick => Topic started by: aus*jen on Monday 15 January 24 07:26 GMT (UK)
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Hello all, In June 2023 the following newspaper notice was added to the FindMyPast collection.
At that time I was able to access the marriage registers of St. Mary, Limerick online but could not
locate this marriage and now wonder whether 'The Cathedral' refers to St. Mary or perhaps
St. John? The notice was published in the Limerick Chronicle on 22nd. December, 1827.
The religion of the groom was Church of Ireland.
I have tried again to access the marriage registers of both churches without success. Can anyone
help me to locate these online again? Any help to locate this marriage would be appreciated.
The surname variants are Maunsell, Maunsel, Mansell.
Regards, Jen.
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The Church of Ireland Cathedral in Limerick city was St. Mary's. I dont think the registers are online on FindMyPast.
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Thanks athacliath, I'm not a subscriber to FindMyPast, I located the news item at my local library.
I may have found the church records via FamilySearch but that does not appear to be an
option now.
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Possible sister to William
1838 March Leinster Express
At Holycross Church Robert Shaw Esq. Thurles to Charlotte youngest daughter of the late John Jones Esq. Whitrfort County Tipperary.
COI records info
https://www.ireland.anglican.org/cmsfiles/pdf/AboutUs/library/registers/ParishRegisters/PARISHREGISTERS.pdf
Limerick City on page 73
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Rev. Henry H. Rose is listed as a Church of Ireland minister for Limerick Diocese in several directory listings, e.g. Treble Almanac, so I'd be pretty certain the marriage was in the church of Ireland cathedral. Unfortunately Church of Ireland records for parishes are often not available online.
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Thanks Sinann, I'm sure you are correct, I have come across Charlotte in a Jones family
settlement deed, the marriage date is helpful.
Thanks also for the COI info. I am having difficulty linking Mary Monsell/Maunsell
with a specific family, this newspaper item is the only reference I have for the
wife of William Jones. There is a George Maunsell who was customs collector
for Limerick married to Frances Fitzgerald Magrath who could be her parents but
Mary is not recorded in any relevant records as their daughter. The only clues
that this could be her family are the names given to Mary and William's children,
Richard, George and Frances Maria, all Maunsell family names connected to George
Maunsell, collector.
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Thanks athacliath, the details on the Rev. Rose are very helpful and with your help I now feel
confident that the marriage was at St. Mary, Limerick.
It is my own fault that I did not record the details of the online registers. I do recall that I
scrolled through countless pages of church records for Limerick Co. and the St. Mary records
were tacked onto the end. When I didn't find the marriage record at St. Mary I assumed that
I was mistaken about the Cathedral being St. Mary. It is a lesson learned.
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After some more searching online I believe I used the IGI for the the parish registers. The IGI
has pre 1845 Church of Ireland parish registers for Limerick City. The only issue now is they
may not still be available online.
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Worth noting.
Transcript of Limerick Deaths from Limerick Chronicle
https://www.limerickcity.ie/Library/LocalStudies/ObituariesdeathnoticesetcfromtheLimerickChronicle/
Lots of Maunsell deaths
There is a Frances wife of George from Milford 1847, looks like George died 1835 but it doesn't give his occupation although looking in the Newspapers he seems to be Esq. and had son George (2nd son) married Eliza Butler 1825
A son Robert passed an Exam in Trinity College 1831
A brother Richard died 1834
Ah he was involved in Customs. Limerick Chronicle Jan 1835.
By the lamented death of the late George Maunsell Esq of Milford....... the gist, a pension of £1,500 goes to the Crown as he was collector for the port of Customs and Excise before they were divided into two departments
Perhaps some of these names will have popped before for you.
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George Maunsell of Milford married twice…
1. Anne Smyth in 1786 Bruff, co Limerick they had a daughter who married Thomas O’Grady.
2. Frances Margate Fitzgerald 16 Sept 1796 at St Anne’s Dublin
Children.
Elizabeth Maunsell b1798 married Thomas Smith of Barberstown, Straffan Co Kildare
Rev. Richard Maunsell 1799-1857 married Frances Brown
Rev. John Maunsell 1800 - ? Married Elizabeth Butler of co Clare
George Maunsell born 1801
Ven. Rt Rev Robert Maunsell 1810-1894 married Susan Pigott 1815-1851
Wyndham Maunsell 1812-1879
Thomas Maunsell
Edward Maunsell married Wilhelmina Cannon
Frederick Maunsell married Louisa Hart
William Maunsell
Frances Maunsell
Note ve. Rt Rev Robert Maunsell went to New Zealand, married secondly Beatrice Isabella Duncan Paton. He became the Archdeacon of Auckland. Lots online about him.
I don’t have much on son George though.
As an aside Rev Henry Rose was distantly related to the Maunsell family.
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On Ancestry
History of the family of Maunsell (Mansell, Mansel)
Outlines the family. Needs verifying though as it was researched many years ago but it is largely correct.
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FS film 874438
baptised 3 Sep 1801 at St John Limerick, born 28 Aug 1801
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George, son of George Maunsell of Milford died in Austria in 1883 see the newspaper link given by sinann
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Hi jc26red, Thankyou for the information you have provided on the Maunsell family, your
time and expertise is greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Jen.
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Sinann, Thankyou so much for the link to the Limerick death notices, that is a great resource.
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Mary’s marriage says George is ‘late of this county’, so was George dead by 1827 or had he moved.
Definitely not George of Milford if her father was dead and doesn’t sound good for Milford either if he had moved.
Looks like you were correct and the only chance of finding the correct George is the church register.
There is an ongoing project to put COI registers online, but when this will be completed or if St.Mary’s will be included is anyone’s guess at the moment.
https://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2018/09/church-of-ireland-parish-registers-to.html
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Yes, Sinann, I wondered about the wording of the marriage report as well. George Maunsell
of Milford died in 1835. There is a news report of 11th Sept. 1830 in the Dublin Evening Post
noting that George Maunsell, late Collector of Limerick has debts and schedule of same may be
applied for. I have not read the complete article on FindMyPast only the extract. It appears he has
resigned from his position as Collector on a yearly pension of 1,500 pounds which reverted to the
Crown upon his death. So it is possible that he left Limerick prior to this news report of 1830
possibly around the time of Mary's wedding and the wording refers to this. The question needs
to be asked as to how much credence should be given to a newspaper report and its wording.
It is far more convincing to have church records that confirm or refute any hypothesis.
It would appear that his money issues may have persisted as his will of 1834 retracts earlier
settlements of 6,000 pounds for each of his children and reduces that amount to 2,000 pounds,
so he was not completely penniless! Considering that the Griffiths valuation of Milford House,
his residence, was only 25 pounds his monetary assets were considerable. He jointly owned
a private bank in Dublin in partnership with 2 of his brothers.
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Dublin Evening Packet and Correspondent 15 January 1835
Jan 11. At Milford, near Limerick, George Maunsell, Esq., formerly Collector of Customs and Excise in that district.
Belfast Commercial Chronicle 17 January 1835
By the death of the late George Maunsell Esq., of Milford, near Limerick, a large pension of £1500 falls into the Crown.
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Havng reread the marriage notification and looking at my Maunsell notes, I don't think that George Maunsell of Milford had a daughter called Mary.
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I will reserve judgment on that jc26red until I can see the registers of St. Mary and St John both
churches that recorded baptisms of the George Maunsell family. Not every child of George Maunsell
has been recorded by researchers. Just today I located a daughter of George and Frances, Helena,
who died in 1805, there could be several more as there are gaps in the baptism dates of their
children. Added to this Mary's daughter Frances Maria bears a remarkable likeness to the image
of her possible uncle Rev. Robert Maunsell. She is a Maunsell descendant and has a connection
to the Frances Fitzgerald Magrath line but where she fits into that line remains to be discovered.
Limerick General Advertiser 10.1.1805 (death) Last Sunday evening at the Customs House Miss Helena Maunsell daughter of George Maunsell Esq. Collector.
LGA (marriage) 22.5.1812. On Friday last (15/5) by special licence at Monkstown church near Dublin Thomas Grady jun. Esq. of Belmont County Limerick to Julia, eldest daughter of George
Maunsell Esq.
This is the daughter of George Maunsell's marriage to Anne Smythe and noted in reply #9 by
jc26red.
Freeman's Journal 21.8.1793 At the Customs House Limerick the lady of George Maunsell Esq.
Collector, of a daughter.
So here are two daughters not previously mentioned by researchers, I can't dismiss the
possibility of the existence of Mary.