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Hello. I am trying to locate further details on my 4th great grandfather Archibald Grimason (sp). He is listed as William's father on the marriage certificate (to Isabella Sprint). Interesting though, William's death certificate, lists Thomas as father; mother unkwn.
I have searched Ireland, England, and Scotland with zero results on William's birth record, birth, marriage or death records for Thomas, Archibald.
Archibald and William were both weavers; zero results trying to find them in Armaugh.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Katrina
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Here is the grave of William Grimason and Isabella Sprint in Pennsylvania.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/33493142/isabella-grimison
William Grimison
Birth : 5 Feb 1836
Death: 6 Sep 1918 (aged 82)
Isabella Grimison
Birth: 10 Apr 1835
Death: 2 Jan 1876 (aged 40)
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Welcome to RootsChat, katmandu :)
Here's the URL link to the 1856 marriage in Mullavilly Parish Church-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1856/09504/5444267.pdf
See https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
Note that the county is Armagh.
KG
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There is this record from 2016 and some of the same people are mentioned.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=383959.msg6055910#msg6055910
Useful to do a search on Rootschat as part of your research.
ETA: Welcome to Rootschat! ;D
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Isabella's residence is Derryhale, William's is Ballyworkan.
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/oneilland-west/drumcree/portadown-rural/ballyworkan/
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/oneilland-west/kilmore-oneilland-west-portion/aghory/derryhale/
If William hadn't strayed from his birthplace then the parish is Drumcree.
From this list of Church of Ireland registers, there is some coverage of Drumcree at RootsIreland.ie.
https://www.ireland.anglican.org/cmsfiles/pdf/AboutUs/library/registers/ParishRegisters/PARISHREGISTERS.pdf
Colour coding shows:
(No colour) Parishes the records of which records remain in local custody.
For parishes located in the nine counties of Ulster, and additionally some for county Louth, microfilm copies of most collections of surviving registers (up to the early 20th century) are available in PRONI. For details consult PRONI’s online catalogue: http://www.proni.gov.uk/
Note that local clergy in both NI and ROI are however obliged to make available original registers in their custody available under both national legislation and in accordance with the Constitution of the Church of Ireland
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/digitised-church-records-available-proni
Debra :)
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I found this info on William's son Thomas Whitley Grimison:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/167845958/thomas-whitley-grimison
Thomas Grimison, 12 S. 13th St., husband of Mrs. Ada I. (Irvin) Grimison, died at 6:55 a.m. yesterday in the Allentown hospital, where he was admitted for medical treatment on July 9.
Although Mr. Grimison would have celebrated his 90th birthday anniversary on Dec. 16, he was, until the time of his illness one month ago, actively engaged in business for himself as a wholesale jobber in stationery, candy, and tobacco.
In March of this year, his warehouse, the Pan-American Specialties Co., at 176 Spring St., West Easton, had been completely burned out, and he had just finished rebuilding it before he became ill.
Until he was seriously injured in an accident in Bethlehem two years ago, he still was driving his own car. At the time of the accident, his left kneecap was removed at St. Luke's hospital. Even with this handicap, he was able to get around without crutches or cane.
Born in County Armagh, Ireland, he came to this country with his parents, William and Isabella (Spring) Grimison, when one year old, in 1858. Originally settled in Delaware county, he moved with his business to Easton in 1898. He has resided in Allentown since 1913. His home, until two years ago, was at 1645 Turner St. Mr. Grimison and his wife celebrated their 60th wedding anniversary on April 8, 1945. They were married in Huntingdon.
Surviving, besides his wife, are: a son, Thomas I. Grimison, of Balboa, C. A., now retired, who as an engineer helped build the Panama Canal and had been connected with its operation until two years ago; and another son, J. S. Grimison, Glenside; a daughter, Mrs. George A. Lawrence, Allentown; six grandchildren, five great-grandchildren; and a brother, John, Chester.
Funeral services at 2 p.m. Saturday at the J. S. Burkholder funeral home, 1601 Hamilton St. Interment in Easton cemetery. Calling hours are 7 to 8:30 p.m. Friday.
[The Morning Call, Allentown, PA, Friday, July 25, 1947, page 29]
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Yes, this is my maternal lineage. Thomas I. was my grandmother's brother. I am trying to go further back to William's father; William married Isabella Sprint.
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Debra, thank you for the links; I will give it a go.
Regards
Katrina
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Not much to report...
On a side note. As I have come to gather from my searching in Portadown/Lurgan area there were many , many Grimison's employed as tailors! So many...
Anyhow I did not find the illusive Thomas as of yet. I did find Grimison weavers near Ballyworkan. One Ann Grimason wedding from 1846 stood out.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1846/09302/5368053.pdf
She is the daughter of a weaver named William Grimason and there in the witness section ... Thomas Grimason. I would take that as an indication this could be the Thomas in question. He could be brother to this William. Worth looking into possibly.
Here's another instance of Thomas Grimason witnessing a wedding. This time for Henry Grimason.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1853/09444/5421196.pdf
In the 1864 Griffith's Valuation there is one Thomas Grimason and he resides in Loughgall
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/loughgall-armagh-portion/
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Pardon me , my machine posted twice. Not sure how or why.
I'll make up for it with this find...
Wedding of Sarah Grimason July 31 1857
Father: Thomas Grimason -weaver of Drumnakelly
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1857/09534/5456290.pdf
Map: https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/oneilland-east/seagoe/brownlows-derry/drumnakelly/
Sarah Grimison married Henry Thorton in 1857 and would have been born somewhere around 1825-1837. Her father is weaver Thomas Grimason. William Grimason that married Isabella Sprint in 1857 has father Thomas Archibald Grimason -weaver and was born 1836. It seems possible William and Sarah are siblings and this is the Thomas we are looking for.
Elizabeth Grimason is a widow of a weaver (Thomas Grimason?) and she died 19th Nov 1882 at age 82 and present was Sarah Thorton:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1882/06388/4834106.pdf
Furthermore there was a spinster named Sarah Grimason that died at Ballywarkin in 1882 at age 96. It's possible that she is a relative to Thomas Grimason such as a sister.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1882/06388/4834107.pdf
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Alan, thank you for your time. I will take a look at this Thomas. I hope is he is a brother because I cannot find any birth record for William, nor the Archhibald listed as his father on marriage record. Archibald is more Scottish than Irish but no luck there either.
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Alan, thank you for your time. I will take a look at this Thomas. I hope is he is a brother because I cannot find any birth record for William, nor the Archhibald listed as his father on marriage record. Archibald is more Scottish than Irish but no luck there either.
I checked many sites and don't see any Archibald Grimason... not in Ireland or Scotland. I had thought maybe he followed his son to the USA but don't see any reference. Was there any other clues that lead you to thinking his name was Thomas Archibald Grimason?
The only reference I can find to Thomas Archibald Grimason comes from myhertitage but it is a bunch of info cobbled together from who knows where. The info in it has to be taken with a grain of salt. Some of it is true for sure...
William Grimison, 1836 - 1918
William Grimison was born on February 5 1836, in Ireland, to Thomas Archibald Grimison.
William married Isabella Grimison (born Sprint).
Isabella was born on April 10 1835, in Ireland.
They had 10 children: Thomas Whitley Grimison, Mary Jane Pedlow (born Grimison), Eliza Anne Grimison, William Aldred Grimison, Francis Galbraith Grimison, John P Grimison, Robert Irwin Grimison, Margaret Isabella Grimison, Harry Wise Grimison and William Grimison.
William then married Eleanor F Grimison (born Wise).
Eleanor was born on December 30 1845, in Brady Township, Huntingdon, Pennsylvania, United States.
William lived in 1860, in Middletown, Delaware, Pennsylvania, United States.
He lived in 1880, in Middletown, Delaware, Pennsylvania, United States.
He lived in 1900, in ED 90 Huntingdon borough Ward 1, Huntingdon, Pennsylvania, United States.
His occupation was Works In Cotton Mill.
William passed away on September 6 1918, at age 82 in Upland, Delaware, Pennsylvania, United States.
He was buried in Aston, Delaware, Pennsylvania, United States of America.
The naming of the children seems quite Scottish...
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Archibald Grimason is listed as Williams father on marriage certificate. But Thomas is listed as father on Williams death certificate.
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Okay, thanks for the refresher. Yeah it really does look like he is Thomas Archibald Grimason. I have a feeling the weaver Thomas that is father of Sarah Thorton is the same Thomas your looking for but more proof is required.
I thought I could find a death for Thomas in Ireland or Scotland as well but no go. I checked the USA and nothing interesting for an Archibald or Thomas Grimason (under various spellings).
I have the feeling that spinster Sarah Grimason is sister of Thomas and that is why he had a daughter named Sarah. Now if I could just prove it ::)
I think it's worth looking into whether this Thomas Grimason mentioned below is the right one. It has a few things going for it. He's a weaver , right name , daughter is purported to be born in Tandragee. Wife's name is correct ... Elizabeth.
If it is the same Thomas Grimason then Elizabeth would be Elizabeth Holmes (according to the links). This daughter Elizabeth Grimason married a Freeman in Australia and appears in these write ups:
https://www.eurekapedia.org/Elizabeth_Freeman
https://www.ballaratcemeteries.com.au/events-and-history/women-who-shaped-and-built-ballarat/freeman-elizabeth/
It's quite possible that your William Grimason is son of the same couple above and brother to Elizabeth mentioned (and possibly Sarah Thorton).
Of course it's quite possible this is a different weaver named Thomas Grimason...
Worth checking into I think.
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I should mention I saw this other marriage that is from a government record source...
Thomas Grimason
UK Marriage List, 1655 - 1992
MarriageApr 1 1843 - C.I., Portadown/Drumc, Co. Armagh, Northern Ireland
Wife:Sarah Stewart
This would be after the birth of William , Sarah , Elizabeth etc. Either it's another Thomas Grimason or he could possibly have remarried after being married to Elizabeth Holmes. Presumably this Thomas would be born approx 1810-1823.
Reporting what I see. Cheers.
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I will give this a go. I have to say this Thomas/Archibald is the bane of my existence 😩 In looking through my ancestry tree, William is the outsider because 99% or the men are named Thomas.
Equally on my moms dad's side, the men's forname began as Archibald Scott from Isle of Mull, named his son Nixon who moved to New Zealand and subsequent men have been named Edward William starting in 1904 to present day.
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I find it a bit surprising that none of William Grimason's sons have Archibald in their names... There is a William Alfred born in Pennsylvania. I am trying to track William's other kids to see if I could find a single instance of an Archibald child.
Thomas Whittey Grimison
1857 - 1947
Elizabeth Ann Grimison
1862 - 1864
Francis "frank" Galbraith Grimison
1867 - 1939
Robert Irwin Grimison * died at age one
1874 - 1875
Mary Jane Pedlow (born Grimison)
1860 - 1940
William Aldred Grimison
1864 - 1939
John P. Grimison
1871 - 1953
Margaret J. Grimison
1875 - 1887
Harry Wise Grimison (mother is Ella Wise)
1884 - 1959
Confirmed: Just went through every child above and none had an offspring with Archibald in their names.
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Since we can't locate 'Thomas/Archibald' as father for William, unable to locate any other family members. I will search through the links that everyone has kindly provided.
Another interesting fact; my cousin (related through William) did the 23nme. He says he does not have any dna related Grimison relatives? Maybe William was adopted or Thomas/Archibald wasn't his father?
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I have seen mistakes on wedding docs for father's name. It drove me crazy , I had one that said it was Samuel , so everyone had Samuel in their trees. I took the time , did the research and it was definitely John. A clerical mistake...
It said Thomas on William's death cert ...
There is for sure a Thomas Grimason who is a weaver near Portadown at the right time. But there is no candidate for an Archibald Grimison weaver anywhere.
Other then Sarah and Elizabeth whom I guessed were his siblings , I have not seen any list of brothers or sisters for William Grimason 1836-1918. Have you seen any reference to siblings for William?
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In the Griffith's Valuation there are 2 Thomas Grimasons.
https://www.grimason.kiwi/data-indexes/ireland/
Thomas Grimason County: Armagh, Parish: Loughgall, Location: Town of Charlemont Page: 293
No. & Letters of reference to Map: 20 / 69, Immediate Lessors: David Alderdice
Thomas J. Grimmason County: Armagh, Parish: Drumcree, Location: Drumnakelly Page: 188
No. & Letters of reference to Map: 20, Immediate Lessors: Alexander D. Kelly
Thomas J Grimason of Drumnakelly I believe is the one related to Elizabeth Freeman and Sarah Grimason.
Marriage of THOMAS GRIMASON and MARY MAGEE
on 09 December 1852
This Thomas was from the tailors of Portadown:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1852/09434/5417687.pdf
Marriage of THOMAS GRIMASON and DINAH WATSON
on 28 December 1859
This Thomas James Grimason -weaver married as a minor in 1859
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1859/09574/5471600.pdf
The Thomas we are looking for had a child marrying in 1856
Even the Thomas Grimason to Sarah Stewart wedding is later then the 1836 birth of William...
Thomas Grimason
UK Marriage List, 1655 - 1992
Marriage: Apr 1 1843 - C.I., Portadown/Drumc, Co. Armagh, Northern Ireland
Wife: Sarah Stewart
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Alan, thank you for all the great tips. My eyes have dried out trying to dig through them. I will get back tomorrow again.