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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: upton25 on Monday 08 January 24 18:57 GMT (UK)
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Good evening My 1st cousin twice removed was sent to Canada by Banardos in 1901 after the father deserted the family. We have her records from Banardos and know she was sent to a farm and was in the Banardos 'Ups and Downs' Magazine
'Martha Gill is trying hard to be a
real German like her kind employer,
and in her note tells us how well she
tan milk and churn and what good
times Easter will bring''
There is a note that she spent time in Germany The dates are unclear as she was in a boarding out home in Hampstead Norris Berks in the 1901 census before travelling to Quebec in the July. I have read that Banardos has German family links But I am unable to find information on children being sent there Has anyone else heard of this Many thanks
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Did you mean Barnardo's?
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Apologies My spelling error 'Barnardo's'
Thank you
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The founder, Thomas John Barnardo was born in Dublin, 1845.
No German link that I can find?
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Thomas John Barnardo (1845–1905) was born in Dublin on 4 July 1845. His father's family was of Spanish/Jewish origin, but his father himself was German by birth, and became a naturalised British subject only in 1860. This was on the 'Victorian Web' But I'm open to it being incorrect
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Thomas John was the 13th child of father John Michaelis Barnardo, from Havelburg, Germany.
The first Barnardo, John Michaelis, arrived in Ireland in 1810 in a fishing boat off the Clare coast. As far as we could know, the family is originally from Venice but moved to Germany. During his stay in Clare he met and fell in love with Elizabeth O'Brien. He returned to Germany but came back here in 1812 and married Elizabeth, went to Dublin and opened a fur shop at 4 Dame Street. It is said that he was a taxidermist by trade.
(taken from Wikipedia entry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._M._Barnardo_%26_Son - Furriers)
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Thank you for taking the time to find this information I really appreciate this I'm guessing the German link could mean Martha was sent to Germany How fascinating
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Barnardo's was just one of many err "charities", that sent hundreds and thousand of children into child labor from England to Australia and Canada and others, in Australia this was still happening in the 1960's.
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RootsChat has a section and database on "British Hone Children"
British Home Children
Over a period of 70 years from 1869 to 1939, up to 120,000 British children were sent to Canada, Australia and New Zealand to work as indentured farm workers and domestics.
The descendants of what are now known as 'The British Home Children' number up to ten percent of the current Canadian population.
Many children were sent to Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the United States of America by various institutions and Childrens' Homes in the UK.
In this database you can search by Surname, County, Ships' names, etc. for
"British Home Children"
and you can also find out which other RootsChatters are researching them.
http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/index.php?dbsig_num=1
There is a Martha Gill listed in the quick search section -perhaps you put the entry in that database ?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01sxg/
Sandra
added:- thread on Martha and Alfred Gill
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=854892.msg7231125#msg7231125
Background info:
FIND A GRAVE
Martha Jane Sanderson Lee (with a photograph) 16 October 1887 - 30 January 1972
Martha had two marriages, first to Arthur Adamson Bertrand, then to Charles "Charlie" Andrew Lee.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/238052002/martha-jane_sanderson-lee
Passenger List for Martha Gill on the Parisian August 1901
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2QS1-3YD
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-X383-LY?i=9&cc=1823240&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A2QS1-3YD
Ancestry tree link (needs subscription) - if its not yours, it may be of interest
Tree shows the Barnado entry register.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/3376376/person/-790005071/facts
1911 census Seymour Township, Meyersburg Village Northumberland East.
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1911&op=img&id=e002006711
1921 census Seymour Northumberland.
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1921&op=img&id=e002946974
1931 census Cramahe, Ontario.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01sxh/
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'Martha Gill is trying hard to be a
real German like her kind employer,
Was the note that she was in Germany at some point from the Ups and Downs magazine?
I would think "employer" would refer to the head of the household that took her in, in Canada. Possibly they took a trip to Germany and she went along with them?
Do you have their name(s) to check out passenger lists etc?
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Posting in case you haven't come across this obituary for the son from second marriage.
(with a photograph)
Ward Archer "Joe" Lee
Saturday, July 16th, 1932 - Friday, January 11th, 2019
https://www.armstrongfh.ca/memorials/ward-lee/3695056/
Sandra
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Family Search Pedigree tree .....
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MJB1-M6N
Sandra
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Thank you so much for all these links to information, which I am going through and sharing with Martha's 2 x
Great Grandson in Canada We have found Martha on the Parisian ship's records and my cousin has numerous links to the family But I'm not certain if he has looked at the 1931 Census yet So this will be a wonderful resource. He obtained the Barnardos records along with photos of Martha as a child. Her father Alfred Gill is proving elusive but we have notes that he was in prison for stealing and travelled to Canada a few times, regularly named in the Poor Law Union Gazette
I really appreciate all the help on this
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The Ups and Downs Magazine mentioned Martha whilst in Canada I believe the Barnardos record showed she'd been to Germany. The Ups/Downs article appears to be written in 1902 after her departure to Canada in 1901.
Leavesden school records for her mother and siblings Alfred and Elsie read
that Martha had been with Banardos for 5 years and this ties in with her Barnardos records and gives time for her to travel elsewhere before she appears in the 1901 census in a boarding out home in Berkshire.
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Pleased we have unearthed some tiny pieces of information to help your story.
Sandra
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Well I didn't expect to find this - but - it LOOKS to be your Martha Gill - read down where it says 1901 census - it says she is in Hampstead Norris Berkshire - goes to Canada in July and lands at Quebec 2nd August 1901 as a Barnardos.
her name is Martha Jane Sanderson Gill born 16th October 1887 .... the tree gives her parents and BOTH sets of Grandparents - good luck
https://gw.geneanet.org/yoshi25?n=gill&oc=&p=martha+jane+sanderson
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1892 Barnardos entry record
Religion: Mother & Father Protestant as on Banardos records [21 Sep 1892]
Phy_description: Brown Hair, hazel eyes, Complexion fair Small chest measurement 20" No height given but enlarged abdomen Vaccination marks Condition of body, small Remarks of Medical Officer a small child [21 September 1892] Banardos
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Emigration
Entry reads 101 children for Banardos for Peterborough 23 appears to be from waifs and strays assoc for niagera
Martha is listed under Chertsey Union and appears to be Banardos
Listed as domestic child They travelled with 3 matrons
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Thank you for looking in to these for me. The tree on Geneanet is my Piper family. The other details are from my Ancestry tree I'm so glad they are accessible to people. Spooky I read this and thought I've read this before . But i really appreciate the time and effort taken to help me :)