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Title: 1901 census look up request
Post by: KA on Sunday 07 January 24 14:27 GMT (UK)
I  can see there is a Helen Softly b. 1889/1900  on the 1901 Index in Walker, Tynemouth, Northumberland.  Parents on 1911 census are William and Catherine.

Would very much like to know who else was with her in 1901.  In particular if a sibling Robert was with her.

Kind regards

KA
Title: Re: 1901 census look up request
Post by: heywood on Sunday 07 January 24 14:35 GMT (UK)
1901 4806 /83/4
12 Pit Street
Robert E Softly, 11 yrs
With parents William and Kate and siblings
Title: Re: 1901 census look up request - completed
Post by: KA on Sunday 07 January 24 14:48 GMT (UK)
Thanks for that.  In particular for confirmation middle initial is an E.  Much obliged.

KA
Title: Re: 1901 census look up request
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 07 January 24 15:00 GMT (UK)
This could be of interest for you.

Geneanet Community Trees Index.

https://gw.geneanet.org/lancelot2?n=softley&oc=&p=robert+edward

Sandra
Title: Re: 1901 census look up request
Post by: KA on Sunday 07 January 24 15:08 GMT (UK)
Thank you Sandra. I'll take a look.

Robert is a real man of mystery.  Marries in 1912, has a family, but then disappears before the 1921 census never to appear on any documentation at all.  I can't even reliably find him on passenger lists.

KA
Title: Re: 1901 census look up request
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 07 January 24 15:19 GMT (UK)
UK and Ireland, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Robert Softly  born 1890 - aged 48 years - Labourer.
Port of Departure   Quebec, Canada - Arrival Date   29 Sep 1938
Port of Arrival   Southampton, England - Ports of Voyage   Quebec and Cherbourg
Ship Name   Empress of Britain
Shipping Line   Canadian Pacific Line
Going to 44 Crown Street, Newcastle Upon Tyne - Intended future residence England.

Sandra

Added. .Long shot probably but didn't see him in Scotland.
Title: Re: 1901 census look up request
Post by: heywood on Sunday 07 January 24 15:53 GMT (UK)
You will find him at that address in 1939.
We aren’t allowed to post details.
Title: Re: 1901 census look up request
Post by: heywood on Sunday 07 January 24 15:59 GMT (UK)
Correction
That is not him.

I think that is Robert Finkle Softley.
In 1932, Robert F S is living with Rachel Mackay in Lawton Street.
Title: Re: 1901 census look up request
Post by: heywood on Sunday 07 January 24 16:10 GMT (UK)
Thank you Sandra. I'll take a look.

Robert is a real man of mystery.  Marries in 1912, has a family, but then disappears before the 1921 census never to appear on any documentation at all.  I can't even reliably find him on passenger lists.

KA

Where did he marry in 1912? I can’t see it yet.
Who did he marry?
Title: Re: 1901 census look up request
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 07 January 24 16:12 GMT (UK)
Think that might be under the Softley spelling

Softley    Robert    Watson    Newcastle T.    10b   47   
Watson    Isabella    Softley    Newcastle T.    10b   47

Softly births

Births Jun 1913   
Softley    Annie L    Watson    Newcastle T.    10b   312   
Births Sep 1914   
Softley    Catherine    Watson    Tynemouth    10b   581   
Births Sep 1916   
Softley    William    Watson    Tynemouth    10b   564
Births Dec 1926 
Softley    Elsie    Watson    Newcastle T.    10b   210

Sandra
Title: Re: 1901 census look up request
Post by: Milliepede on Sunday 07 January 24 16:14 GMT (UK)
I was about to ask who he married - when were his children born? 

Does his wife claim to be married/widowed later on or  :-\

There is a medal card for a Robert Softley from WW1 - could that be why he disappeared?
Title: Re: 1901 census look up request
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 07 January 24 16:38 GMT (UK)
Hmm another UK and Ireland, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 for Robert Softly. Does 5th of the address on these passenger lists mean anything ?

Robert Softly - aged 26 years - glass blower - going to 90 Gill Street. Newcastle Upon Tyne.
arriving 6 June 1926 - Montreal to Liverpool - on the Montrose. Intended future residence England.

Sandra
Title: Re: 1901 census look up request
Post by: KA on Sunday 07 January 24 16:42 GMT (UK)
He married Isabella in 1912.  Has three children between 1913 and 1916.  Disappears for a bit (Isabella on 1921 census as head of house and married).  then further child in 1926, after which he is never heard of again. (But this suggested to me perhaps a period of working abroad for several years, maybe starting another family.  Returning 1925 ish, it not working out, and him returning abroad again.)


Like you I got very excited over robert Finkle Softly, who would have fitted brilliantly. However I can find a Birth reg for Robert Finkle Softly, which rather spoilt my investigations >:(



 
Title: Re: 1901 census look up request
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 07 January 24 17:18 GMT (UK)
Maybe he did not return to father the child born 1926, Isabella as a married woman could have registered the birth without him present.  I wonder who registered the birth
Title: Re: 1901 census look up request
Post by: heywood on Sunday 07 January 24 18:17 GMT (UK)
Think that might be under the Softley spelling

Softley    Robert    Watson    Newcastle T.    10b   47   
Watson    Isabella    Softley    Newcastle T.    10b   47

Sandra

Thanks Sandra. I had tried that and just checked again. Ancestry doesn’t seem to show him.
Title: Re: 1901 census look up request
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 07 January 24 18:42 GMT (UK)
England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915

No Robert listed  :-\

Isabella Watson
Spouse Surname   Softley
Registration Year   1912 - [1912]
Registration Quarter   Oct-Nov-Dec - Registration district   Newcastle upon Tyne
Inferred County   Northumberland
Volume   10b Page   47

John Christie
Margaret Lattimer
Isabella Watson

Sandra
Title: Re: 1901 census look up request
Post by: heywood on Sunday 07 January 24 18:47 GMT (UK)
Yes, that’s what I found, Sandra.

He married Isabella in 1912.  Has three children between 1913 and 1916.  Disappears for a bit (Isabella on 1921 census as head of house and married).  then further child in 1926, after which he is never heard of again. (But this suggested to me perhaps a period of working abroad for several years, maybe starting another family.  Returning 1925 ish, it not working out, and him returning abroad again.)


Have you tried Electoral Registers 1921 - 1926?

Rosie has a valid point in that he may not be the father of the youngest child after such a gap.
Title: Re: 1901 census look up request
Post by: heywood on Sunday 07 January 24 19:24 GMT (UK)
Just musing really.
What occupation is given for him on any children's marriage certificates?
Title: Re: 1901 census look up request
Post by: Radcliff on Sunday 07 January 24 20:51 GMT (UK)
as Isabella Softley was cremated Newcastle Upon Tyne, 18th April  1979
there are no further details , free BMD record Softley Isabella birth date 1 st November 1892 death recorded June 1979
Title: Re: 1901 census look up request
Post by: ChrissieL on Sunday 07 January 24 20:55 GMT (UK)
In 1911 he is living with his parents William and Catherine and his siblings. His father's occupation is Ship Plater and Roberts occupation is Platers helper. The family are living at 12 Berry Street, Walker, Newcastle upon Tyne.

Chris