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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: jrainbrim on Monday 01 January 24 22:25 GMT (UK)
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I have found John and Tabitha in 1841, 1851, 1871 and 1881 hut cannot find them in 1861 census. John died before 1891 census.
They lived in Mile end london and both born around 1820. Married in April 1841.
Was there a 1861 census for this area? I've tried looking for both names and their children, Ellen, Tabitha and Matilda.
I have also searched by known addresses in 1851 and 71. Any ideas please. Thank you.
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https://www.findmypast.co.uk/articles/census-for-england-wales-and-scotland-missing-pieces
Scroll down to see areas missing in 1861
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Thanks for that. The area they lived in is not included in the lists. I might look elsewhere!
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Might they have been in the workhouse and be registered with initials only.
Long shot but you could look at the census for the local one in 1861 (if not on the missing list) and see if any likely looking family groups come up.
What was the name and birthplace of the child born closest to that census?
Are all the children alive in 1871?
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Additional children John & James on 1871 born c1861 both have pob as Limehouse
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Matilda born 3 rd April 1858 & John Thomas Downes born 19 August 1859
were both baptised same day 8 Jul 1868 Holy Trinity, Mile End Old Town Tower Hamlets
abode 33 St Ann’s Rd
digital image available cost £2.50
DOWNES, JOHN THOMAS mmn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 01C Page 472
Is this the burial of their daughter?
Tabitha Downs Age 15
Burial 5 Nov 1862 London
Abode John Street Parish Limehouse
London, England, City of London and Tower Hamlets Cemetery Registers, 1841-1966
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Daughter Ellen has married Thomas Gay and they are on John Street in 1861.
Enumeration district 7 included John Street, Richard Street, Anchor, William and Rosetta Streets.
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It's likely Ellen was living with her family and new husband 1861, but her parents and siblings are not recorded.
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Not related to the topic but I saw this and wondered if they are related to your family.
The Western Daily Press Bristol 10 September 1878
Woolwich Inquest (Paraphrased)
530 bodies recovered so far.- Accident on the Thames The Princess Alice of the London Steamboat Co.
John Downes Smith, Hosier of High Street Marylebone identified his son Edwin age20, the son's wife was also lost.
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The marriage is recorded as 27th May 1860.
Thomas William Guy and Ellen Downes. Fathers Joseph Guy gas fitter and John Downes boiler worker.
Address for both given as 7 Edward St. Married at St Thomas Stepney.
John Downes one of the witnesses
Tazzie
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Thank you all I will look further.
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I am sorry to ask but I cannot find John and Tabetha Downes on the 1861 census. I have found on 1841, 1851 and 1871. They were living in Tower Hamlets area in all three census. Both born 1820s.
Thank you in advance
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Please include details of their respective birthplaces. How old were they in 1851
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There are some streets missing in the 1861 see TNA
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/census-records/
Google AI says
Parts of the 1861 census for London are missing, including:
Parts of the parishes of St Dunstan in the West, St Gregory by St Paul, and St Mary Staining
Parts of the Inner Temple and St Michael-le-Quern
Parts of St Botolph-without-Bishopsgate
The first six pages of the parish of St Bride
Belgravia Sub-district, within St George's Hanover Square District
Parts of Chelsea District
Pieces RG9/145, 219, 407, 601, 903, 1039, 1234, 3388, 4015, 4022, 4131, 4137, 4196, 4291, 4344, 4389, where all parishes are missing
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On both the 1851 & 1871 she is transcribed as Sabitha/Sabetha b Ratcliff Middlesex but I can't find her in 1861
Marriage 1841 shows her as Tabitha Ruscufka Smith
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Yes transcribed incorrectly. Definetely Tabitha. Names a daughter Tabitha too.
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You previously asked for this in January 2024 :)
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=879162.
The earlier post suggests that there was a church entry in 1862 giving the address as John Street, Limehouse. The pages for this street are damaged, have you tried looking at them.
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Yes I did. Was hoping for help from others.
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You need to ask the moderators to merge your posts to save getting duplicate replies
To get help from others you need to give more information, names, approx years and places of birth.
Plus occupations
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Thank you for your help
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Topics merged to keep information together.
New eyes looking again would be appreciated.
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Thank you