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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: jimmain on Sunday 31 December 23 21:01 GMT (UK)
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My McGregor Connection
For years I tried to find the parents of my most ancient Drummond ancestor, Josiah, who spent most of his life at Fornought farm in Fowlis Wester. I had thought that the family might have been McGregors who were hiding themselves from the authorities. Recently, with the help of British Ancestry, I find that this indeed was the case.
It appears that Josiah’s father was Donald McGregor Drummond, and his mother was Catharine Ferguson.
I also wondered why use the name Josiah; I could only find a handful of “Josiahs” in Scotlands People.
In Hebrew, it means “God Supports and Heals”, possibly referencing a McGregor birth in the face of the king’s prohibition of the name. There are other records that suggest that this family might have a connection with Rob Roy McGregor. I am presently researching records to see if that might be the case.
I’m wondering if anyone has any other information on a McGregorDrummond connection.
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Helpful if you provided a timescale
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Josiah Drummond was born 1731, Perth.
He married Emilia Crearar 6Aug 1762, Fowlis Wester.
They had the following children: John (Isabella McDuff, 1788, my line); Margaret (Mr McDonald, ?when); Catherine (William Morison, 1793); Alexander, b 1769).
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Where is Tombey or Tombusirian?
Donald McGregor Drummond & Catherine Ferguson had several children in these locations between 1717-1723. Does anyone know where these places are located? I suspect around Callander but have not been able to confirm this on old maps.
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If you want to find a place in Scotland you need to know which parish it's in.
See https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=758930.0
In this case the baptisms were actually in the parish of Callander, not 'somewhere around Callander', which should narrow it down a bit.
Do you think that Tombey and Tombusirian are the same place?
Tombey could be Tombea, which is from Gaelic and means something like 'little hill of the birches'. According to The Place Names of Scotland there was a Tombea in the Pass of Leny, which is a couple of miles west of the town of Callander. I reckon it's the spot spelled Tom Bheithe here https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16.7&lat=56.25144&lon=-4.27418&layers=6&b=1
I can't contort the name Tombusirian into anything resembling Tombey, but could Tombus... be a mistranscription of Cambus... ? Cam(b)us means a bend or meander or a curving beach, so maybe it was a different place altogether.
Can you post clips of the original documents to see what they actually say?
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I'm not sure how to post clips of the original documents.
I can do this if I know how.
It seems that these names were used somewhat interchangeably.
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Jim has sent me the extracts and agreed that I should post them so that we can see what we make of them.
FWIW I am not convinced that the first two are Tombey/Tombey/Tombea - they look like something longer to me.
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Agree with Forfarian. It’s unlikely to be Tombea. In the second snip the word continues on the next line, forming a word similar to the first and third snips.
I have a transcription by the Clangregor Society of a list of McGregor baptisms for Callander; a small farm in the parish is variously spelt Tombuscrian, Tomskrin, Tomnaskrin, Tomnaskrian, Tombnascrine, Tomnascrin and Tomnaserun.
I haven’t been able to locate it on a map, but according to page 11 of “The Gaelic Place-Names of Callander's Landscape” (https://docslib.org/doc/8336754/the-gaelic-place-names-of-callanders-landscape) there apparently is a “Thomasgreene, on the hills near Braeleny, probably for Tom an Sgriodain (hillock of the scree or stony ravine).” Braeleny is north of Callander, just east of Drummardoch.
Peter
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Excellent sleuthing, Peter.
Jim, go to https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NN6310 and click on the map to enlarge it twice until Thomasgreen appears.
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Great information! Thank you both.
Jim
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According to a friend of mine .... his surname was used as an alternative to McGregor ... namely COMRIE, as in the place of that name.
cheers, Ian
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I found three more births to this couple.
In one of the documents, the location name appears as "Tombnaserine in Brasleny".
I've added these attachments and would appreciate further comments as to where this place is located. It seems to be near Callander.
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I think it reads 'Tombnascrine in Braeleny', which fits with previous suggestions. Also it is in (the parish of) Callander, not 'near Callander'.