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Title: Peter Bamber
Post by: ODP on Sunday 31 December 23 17:06 GMT (UK)
Hi everyone. Looking for Peter Bamber son of Joseph and Mary and brother of Mary Ann. Family rumours say he died  fairly young and was buried in St James cemetary which is in the grounds of liverpool Anglican Cathedral. However some years ago they landscaped  the cemetery and a lot of the original older gravestones went missing. He appears in 1851 census lipping in Rathbone street liverpool but disappears after that

Can anyone help please
Cheers Brian Johno
Title: Re: Peter Bamber
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Sunday 31 December 23 17:25 GMT (UK)
Do you have the correct census date in your post? Joseph and Mary Bamber christen a Peter in 1857, so can't be on the 1851 census. he appears to be with relatives in 1861
Title: Re: Peter Bamber
Post by: ODP on Sunday 31 December 23 17:43 GMT (UK)
Thanks. maybe wrong date  might be 1861. Is he in Rathbone street liverpool with his sister Mary. Cheers johno


Title: Re: Peter Bamber
Post by: Jebber on Sunday 31 December 23 17:49 GMT (UK)
In 1871 there is a Peter BAMBER aged 13 an inmate in the Industrial Ragged School in Everton Terrace Liverpool
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Title: Re: Peter Bamber
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Sunday 31 December 23 17:53 GMT (UK)
N0 - 1861 Peter is with his uncle and aunt William and Catherine Bamber in Everton. He appears to live into adulthood. Parents on his baptism are Joseph, a porter, and Mary of Everton


Mary Ann Bamber baptised October 1846, daughter of Joseph Bamber (coachman) & Mary of Rathbone St.

In 1851 they appear to be lodging in Knight St with the Jones family. No Peter with them.

Mary Ann's birth registration suggest mother's maiden name is Pricket

Mother's maiden name for Peter's birth is Heaton. I also note Mary is 42 in 1851, so another child in 1857, whilst not impossible, seems a bit unlikely

Joseph and Mary are lodging in Rathbone St in 1841 with another son John  b 1837

Title: Re: Peter Bamber
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Sunday 31 December 23 17:55 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Jebber on Sunday 31 December 23 17:49 GMT (UK)
In 1871 there is a Peter BAMBER aged 13 an inmate in the Industrial Ragged School in Everton Terrace Liverpool
.

Ancestry have him as Blemker!!
Title: Re: Peter Bamber
Post by: ODP on Sunday 31 December 23 19:39 GMT (UK)
Thanks everyone. Mabel,that's correct in names and adresses and dates of christenings we have researched. Prickett was the maiden name of Josephs wife. Married 1831. Strange to have a different name on John's certificate Does John appear in later census alongside his family.
Thanks very much foy your time.
Cheers
Title: Re: Peter Bamber
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Sunday 31 December 23 21:37 GMT (UK)
We don't know John's mother's maiden name as he's born too early for birth registration. He's with Joseph and Mary in 1841. Baptised twice - 10 and 28 November 1832 in different churches. Father is a coachman

Added: it's Peter who has the different mother's maiden name

Possible burial - I wonder if family stories have got mixed up, given the location

John Bamber
Age    18
Burial Date    3 Nov 1850 St James Cemetery, Liverpool
Address Rathbone St

I believe John and Mary are clearly siblings. Not so sure about Peter.  None of them are seen together

Title: Re: Peter Bamber
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Sunday 31 December 23 21:40 GMT (UK)
There's also a Joseph Bamber buried in that cemetery in 1852, aged 47. Slightly older than Joseph on the previous censuses
Title: Re: Peter Bamber
Post by: heywood on Sunday 31 December 23 23:18 GMT (UK)
Related thread here re Mary Prickett
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=879131.new#new

I don’t think that Peter Bamber is related to the Joseph Bamber and Mary Prickett family.

As has been pointed out, his mother’s name is Heaton.
There is a James Bamber b 1854 mmn Heaton and Joseph 1852 mmn Heaton.

1861 2710 /120/39
Everton
Joseph Bamber 37yrs b Little Eccleston
Joseph 8 yrs
James 6 yrs
Lodging with a Crone family

As mentioned already, Peter Bamber 4 yrs is with William and Catherine Bamber.
William is also born Little Eccleston.
Title: Re: Peter Bamber
Post by: ODP on Sunday 31 December 23 23:37 GMT (UK)
 Hi Mabel. Are there any gravestone  or plot numbers for John and Joseph Bamber please.
Cheers Johno
Title: Re: Peter Bamber
Post by: ODP on Sunday 31 December 23 23:40 GMT (UK)
Hi Mabel. Have you any gravestone or plot numbers for John and Joseph Bamber please.
Cheers Johno
Title: Re: Peter Bamber
Post by: heywood on Monday 01 January 24 08:10 GMT (UK)
Quote from: ODP on Sunday 31 December 23 23:40 GMT (UK)
Hi Mabel. Have you any gravestone or plot numbers for John and Joseph Bamber please.
Cheers Johno

Does this mean that you are searching for John and not Peter?
Title: Re: Peter Bamber
Post by: ODP on Monday 01 January 24 09:15 GMT (UK)
Hi Heywood. Sorry getting confusing.
Yes searching for John Bamber
Title: Re: Peter Bamber
Post by: heywood on Monday 01 January 24 11:21 GMT (UK)
That’s fine then. It looks as though you have the info re John now, thanks to Mabel.

St James’ Cemetery - some graves but no Bamber.
http://www.stjamescemetery.co.uk/index/page/database
Title: Re: Peter Bamber
Post by: ODP on Monday 01 January 24 12:32 GMT (UK)
Yes. Thanks to Rootschat and Mabel
Title: Re: Peter Bamber
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Monday 01 January 24 15:50 GMT (UK)
Quote from: ODP on Sunday 31 December 23 23:40 GMT (UK)
Hi Mabel. Have you any gravestone or plot numbers for John and Joseph Bamber please.
Cheers Johno

No - those details aren't on the register