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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Truebrit on Friday 29 December 23 12:15 GMT (UK)
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Hi
We are researching the Hardie family of Coatbridge Glasgow: Thomas Muir Hardie (1880-1940); Margaret Hardie (mn Laurie) (1880-1959); and their children Thomas M (1901), John L (1903), George (1905), James (1908), Agnes M (1909), and Helen (1911). There is also an adopted daughter Margaret Hardie Martin (1900).
We can see Thomas on the 1921 census in Coatbridge, a married man, with his sons but there is no sign of his wife Margaret or their daughters. Can anyone spot where they are in 1921, in particular Helen?
TB
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Quite possibly:
HARDIE
AGNES M
1921
F
12
518/ 5/ 19
KILFINAN
ARGYLL
HARDIE
HELEN
1921
F
9
518/ 5/ 19
KILFINAN
ARGYLL
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I noticed the family advertising from their Coatbridge address, what appeared to be a holiday home (room and kitchen, 4 beds, near pier), in Tighnabruaich in 1930s, hence thought they may have links to Argyll area.
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HARDIE
MARGARET
1921
F
40
518/ 5/ 19
KILFINAN
ARGYLL
HARDIE
MARGARET
1921
F
22
518/ 5/ 19
KILFINAN
ARGYLL
So all four look to be together in Argyll, but also in same house are:
HARDIE
JAMES
1921
M
13
518/ 5/ 19
KILFINAN
ARGYLL
HARDIE
AGNES
1921
F
45
518/ 5/ 19
KILFINAN
ARGYLL
Was James with his dad and brothers at Coatbridge, or missing with his mum and sisters? Could Agnes snr be a sister of Thomas?
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Thanks all. I took a chance and downloaded that census and it was the right family. I have not done much Scottish research to date and so am not very familiar with resources, and never would have found it without the help, so am grateful for everyone’s assistance.
Where were the advertisements noted as they could be an interesting line of enquiry?
I am trying to find out more about this family - particularly Helen. I think that she may have married a William George Biggs in 1951 so may not have had a family. I see that she was buried with her parents in Coatbridge, following her death in 1989. Can recent certificates (the 1951 marriage or 1989 death) be ordered from anywhere?
Thanks
TB
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Came a cross this in the The Airdrie and Coatbridge Advertiser
Airdrie, Strathclyde, Scotland - Sat, 28 Dec 1940 - Page 1
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-airdrie-and-coatbridge-advertiser/137612719/
and
The Airdrie and Coatbridge Advertiser
Airdrie, Strathclyde, Scotland
Sat, 22 Dec 1945 Page 1
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-airdrie-and-coatbridge-advertiser/137613521/
Sandra
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Can recent certificates (the 1951 marriage or 1989 death) be ordered from anywhere?
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk - but not now until after the New Year break.
See https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=714261.0
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Michigan, U.S., Marriage Records, 1867-1952
Thomas M Hardie - Birth Date abt 1901 Scotland - aged 23 years
Marriage Date 1 Apr 1924 Detroit, Michigan
Residence Place Detroit, Michigan
Father Thomas Hardie - Mother Margaret Lawrie
Spouse Mary Beattie.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NQQR-R32
Mary Beattie born 1902 Scotland - aged 22 years.
Marriage Date 1 Apr 1924 Detroit, Michigan
Residence Place Detroit, Michigan
Father Wm Beattie
Mother Mary Hay
Spouse Thomas M Hardie
Record Number 266732
U.S., Border Crossings from Canada to U.S., 1895-1960
Thomas Muir Hardie - Arrival Age 22 - Craneman
Record Type Arrival 1 st July 1923 Montreal Canada on the Metagama
Birth Date abt 1901 Scotland - Residence Place Scotland
Port of Departure Glasgow, Scotland
Line Number 16
Father Thos M Hardie. 93 Dunbeth Road. Coatbridge.
Relative Name John Beattie. C/O Doctor Mawes. 8851 La Salle Boulevard Detroit.
Relative Relationship Friend
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XPKJ-359
FIND A GRAVE
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/151633188/thomas-muir-hardie
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/151633188/thomas-muir-hardie#view-photo=267509461
A son Thomas Muir Hardie born 1924 Michigan - died 1947
Thomas Muir Hardie - aged 22 years - died 1947 644 / 18 / 599 - Polloc
Birth - James Hardie - 1932 - 627/81 Cambuslang
Death - James Hardie - 0 - 1932 - 627 / 27 Cambuslang
Sandra
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Thanks for those articles Sandra - very helpful. They seem to tie in with the gravestone photo I located! Not sure who the daughter in law Crissie is though, and which of Thomas’s sons she married - not Thomas M Hardie by the look of it as the marriage you found for him was to a Mary.
All very helpful and appreciated. Thanks
TB
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Possible marriage of Crissie:
HARDIE
JAMES
CRAIG
CHRISTINA PHILP
1935
651 / 58
AIRDRIE OR NEW MONKLAND
and her death
HARDIE
CHRISTINA PHILP
40
F
1943
651 / 25
AIRDRIE OR NEW MONKLAND
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There is an ancestry tree which gives:
Agnes Muir Hardie 1909–1941
Born 15 April 1909 - Coatbridge, Lanarkshire, Scotland
died 1941 - Coatbridge Old Monkland, Lanarkshire.
HARDIE
AGNES MUIR HARDIE - AGED 32 - 1941
652 / 2 / 437 COATBRIDGE OR OLD MONKLAND
Sandra
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John Lawrie Hardie - aged 79 years - died 1982 - 562/256 Coatbridge.
married Elizabeth Lenaghan
30 Dec 1927 - Coatbridge, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Coats Parish Church.
son John Laurie Hardie 1930 Coatbridge, Lanarkshire, Scotland
died 2015 - Coatbridge, Lanarkshire.
Sandra
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Possible marriage of Crissie:
HARDIE
JAMES
CRAIG
CHRISTINA PHILP
1935
651 / 58
AIRDRIE OR NEW MONKLAND
and her death
HARDIE
CHRISTINA PHILP
40
F
1943
651 / 25
AIRDRIE OR NEW MONKLAND
The Airdrie and Coatbridge Advertiser
Airdrie, Strathclyde, Scotland
Sat, 30 Jan 1943 Page 1
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-airdrie-and-coatbridge-advertiser/137619760/
Sandra
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Thanks for all of this again.
Looking at Helen’s marriage to William George Biggs on the Scotlands People website:
SURNAME
HARDIE
FORENAME
HELEN
SPOUSE SURNAME
BIGGS
SPOUSE FORENAME
WILLIAM GEORGE
YEAR
1951
REF644 / 9 / 192
RD NAME
KELVINGROVE
It says that certificates are not available - is that correct? A similar statement appears when I search for her 1989 death.
TB
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This appears on the Scotland Peoples Site ??
Types of certificate you can order online
Statutory birth - 1855 onwards
Statutory marriage - 1855 onwards
Statutory death - 1855 onwards
Statutory Civil Partnership - 2005 onwards
Statutory divorce - 1984 onwards
Statutory dissolution - 2007 onwards
Open census - 1841 to 1921
Old Parish Registers - 1553 to 1855
Information you need to order a certificate
Statutory record - birth, marriage, death, civil partnership, divorce, dissolution
Full name of the person(s) whose certificate you require
Date and place the event took place
Names of parents (including mother's maiden name) for common surnames.
Sandra
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Thanks Sandra
It may mean I need to order hard copies but the searches indicate that no certificates are available. Having never ordered from there before I will need to look to see what to do.
TB
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Hopefully someone will come along with better knowledge than I have and give you a better answer to your query.
Sandra
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It says that certificates are not available - is that correct? A similar statement appears when I search for her 1989 death.
Certificates are temporarily unavailable. They will be available as normal after the New Year break, from 3 January.
Which is why I said
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk - but not now until after the New Year break.
See screenshot.
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Thanks all.
Having not used the Scotlands People site until this week I appreciate the info.
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Actually, I think the notice on the SP web site could have been more clearly worded :)
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Its confusing because on those particular entries, it does say certificates not available.
So can Truebrit not get a hard copy at all ?
Sandra
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Yes, he can get a hard copy. He just has to wait a few days longer before he can place his order.
Those 'certificates not available' notices are temporary, and they apply to all certificates, not just those ones, while SP is closed for the New Year holiday break. They will be back to work on 3 January and the certificate ordering system will be reactivated after they return.
As I have said, they could have worded it better.