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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Flintshire => Wales => Flintshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: duport on Wednesday 27 December 23 20:14 GMT (UK)
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My 2xgt-grandfather Edward ROBERTS was born in 1835. He appears aged 16 in the 1851 census at Pistill, Holywell as the son of John & Catherine Roberts. But in the 1841 census for Lygan y Wern he is listed with John & Catherine (nee WILLIAMS) but as Edward PRICHARD, and out of sequence of ages with the other children. It's been suggested he could be a nephew, taken in because one of his parents had died. Does anyone have evidence of his baptism in the Holywell area, or knowledge of a Roberts or Williams woman marrying a Prichard? I don't have access to Welsh records.
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You have access to Welsh records on FamilySearch
You first need to have a look at Edward's marriage record to see who his father was and his father's occupation.
If you are 100% certain about year and place of birth then ...
There is this baptism
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQFZ-7X7
1841 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M77R-9ZY
1851
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG8D-HLC
You also can access Welsh records on FreeReg
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_queries/658cc046b620e0651b99ffca?locale=en
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If you know definitely that his father’s name was John Roberts, then I can see 2 baptisms to consider:-
Baptism 26 Feb 1834 (born 7 Feb) Holywell, Chester Rd.
Edward Roberts – parents John Roberts and Elizabeth Parry
Baptism 26 Oct 1834 Holywell, St James
Edward Roberts – parents Jane and John Roberts (occupation Engineer). Abode Bagillt
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You can see that Edward PRICHARD is not a part of the ROBERTS family by the way the census is marked in 1841. He is a separate person within the same household.
Two Edwards, one the son of Zachariah PRITCHARD and Jane and the other the son of James PRITCHARD and Margaret (both mothers were maiden surname WILLIAMS) - both of those boys appear to be with their own families in further census records.
He could be anyone really, not necessarily related. Maybe you will need to follow all of the Edwards baptised to see if they appear in 1841/51.
Debra :D
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My 2xgt-grandfather Edward ROBERTS was born in 1835. He appears aged 16 in the 1851 census at Pistill, Holywell as the son of John & Catherine Roberts.
You will see by the baptisms of the other children in this family, they were baptised in the Independent Chapel. parents John Roberts and Catherine Williams, but not all in Holywell.
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This is a classic example of several people with the same name being born in the same area in the same year!
You can see that Edward PRICHARD is not a part of the ROBERTS family by the way the census is marked in 1841. He is a separate person within the same household.
Yes, that plus the fact that he's not listed sequentially, by age, suggests he's not a child of the family.
You have access to Welsh records on FamilySearch
You first need to have a look at Edward's marriage record to see who his father was and his father's occupation.
According to his 1861 marriage certificate, his father was John Roberts (labourer) but that's not necessarily so. It looks as if he'd been fully accepted as the son of John & Catherine, as evidenced by the 1851 and 1861 censuses.
Two Edwards, one the son of Zachariah PRITCHARD and Jane and the other the son of James PRITCHARD and Margaret (both mothers were maiden surname WILLIAMS) - both of those boys appear to be with their own families in further census records.
Either one of these Edwards would have been a likely candidate, but for the fact that they are 'with their own families in further census records'. Blast!
Maybe you will need to follow all of the Edwards baptised to see if they appear in 1841/51.
It looks like that's what I'll have to do! Thank you all for your help.