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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: Cleo on Wednesday 20 December 23 15:43 GMT (UK)
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I am struggling to find anything about the Irish origin of this pair.
I have found George Wilson on the 1891 Scottish census which shows him to have been born in Londonderry, and then the place looks like Auchadoo. Could the enumerator have got it wrong? He would have been born about 1835, 36.
He married a Margaret Henderson who was also born in Ireland about 1840,41.
Both of them appear to have come over to Scotland in the 1850s, but I can find no trace of a marriage. Did they come back to Ireland to get married? I also cannot find a death certificate - Margaret Wilson nee Henderson appears on the 1871 Scottish census but not on the 1881 census, and she is marked as deceased when her daughter marries in 1884. Again would she have gone back to Ireland.
I would love to get some more information on these two who are very elusive, especially as I am in the area just now, but don’t really know where to look.
Thanks.
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Hi could you post some details of the census records you have found so we know which area they are in
Rosie :)
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Possibly Aghadowey Parish in County Londonderry?
Were any of the children born in Scotland during years when date and place of parents' marriage are recorded on birth certificates?
Civil registration of deaths in Ireland started in 1864 as did registration of births and Catholic marriages (from 1845 for all non-Catholic marriages).
Added- can't see marriage in Ireland.
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Think I have found him now on the 1891 census
George Wilson age 57 born Auchadoo Londonderry ( transcribed Ancestry ) he is at
100 Blackburn Street Plantation Govan occupation stoker on steamship unemployed
With a new wife Elizabeth Wilson born Galston Ayrshire age 56 years
Rosie
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Interesting, Rosie. If marriage to Elizabeth can be found in Scotland should list names of both his parents which might make it possible for me to find his family here in County Derry in my files.
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There is a birth for a Margaret Wilson 1869 Anderston
Mothers maiden name Henderson
On Scotland's People getting the birth certificate should give you the parents marriage date
Rosie
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Bit more from Cleo's earlier topics-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=189989.msg932996#msg932996 (also with wife Elizabeth in 1881 census)
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=661786.msg5072901#msg5072901
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Bit more from Cleo's earlier topics-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=189989.msg932996#msg932996 (also with wife Elizabeth in 1881 census)
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=661786.msg5072901#msg5072901
There is a marriage for a George Wilson to a Elizabeth Allan 1881 Gorbals might be a possibility
Rosie
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Decided since there's possibly an Aghadowey connection I would get the 1869 birth certificate for Margaret Wilson from Scotland's People.
Parents George Wilson and Margaret Henderson married 12 Nov.1858 Aghadowy, Londonderry, Ireland!
Off to check my own records for marriage in local churches here :)
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Good find Aghadowey :)
Rosie
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Have you looked at this death for George Wilson
1892 age 58 Gorbals mothers maiden name Surgeant ? On.S P
Rosie
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Have you looked at this death for George Wilson
1892 age 58 Gorbals mothers maiden name Surgeant ? On.S P
Rosie
Not our I think, he was single and a Rag Dealer
SS
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Have you looked at this death for George Wilson
1892 age 58 Gorbals mothers maiden name Surgeant ? On.S P
Rosie
Not our I think, he was single and a Rag Dealer
SS
Thanks SS :)
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I checked all the local churches for the marriage without anything turning up AND did manual search through pages in civil registrations online- ZILCH!
But the mystery is finally solved. George and Margaret never married. :o
After checking for children's births in Family Search I got a birth for daughter Mary Ann on 14 Dec.1858 and another daughter, Rachel, on 18 Dec.1871. Rachel's birth lists parents as George Wilson & Margaret Henderson (deceased) and was registered on 3 Jan.1872 and illegitimate is written.
So, knowing Margaret Henderson must have died between the birth and it's registration and that she likely died in the same area, I searched for a Margaret Henderson in Anderston dist. 1871/1872.
Margaret Henrderson, single, died 28 Dec.1871 (same address as Rachel's birth), registered 29 Dec. Cause of death given as congestion of lungs 9 days following delivery which fits with Rachel's birth and informant was George Wilson. Margaret's parents listed as Alexander Henderson, farm labourer, and _ Rossborough so I'm off again to check my family tree files.
Cleo- have the above certificates which I can send if you are interested.
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Well done Aghadowey I did see the birth and death for the Rachel Wilson and did think the mother might have died after giving birth .I did view a death but wrong one
Rosie
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Wow, that’s absolutely brilliant! I didn’t realise they had had another child, although unfortunately the outcome wasn’t a good one. Thank you so much Aghadowey, for your detective skills, I had searched for so long without finding anything. It’s really much appreciated. Presumably on the birth of Margaret they gave a false marriage date, to appear they were all above board, so to speak.
Thank you Rosie for suggesting the second wife’s marriage to find George’s parents.
Just before I came away I found the 1851 census from Dalry, Ayrshire, which lists a George Wilson aged 16, along with his family, all born in Ireland apart from the last daughter, Rachael. I wasn’t sure if this was him, but now with the Rachael connection, I think maybe it is. His parents are listed as Thomas and Jane Wilson, but I’m not sure which part of Ireland they came from. George is also listed as an ironstone miner - perhaps he went from that to being a steamship stoker, although he is listed as being a hammerman in 1871.
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I think the family you mentioned on the 1851 census in Dalry Ayrshire immigrated to
Great Salt Lake Utah .They immigrated 1852 and George is with them
Rosie
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Ah well, back to the drawing board with that one. Thank you!