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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: Pebble351 on Tuesday 12 December 23 14:52 GMT (UK)
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Looking for any information on Edith May Sullivan and her family. Very little is known about her other than she was born 26 June 1926 in Pontlottyn and her father's name on her marriage certificate is James Sullivan, coal miner. I think 99% of the male population of Pontlottyn were coal miners at that time, and I know there was a huge Irish community there because of the mines (the name Sullivan is an Irish surname, obviously), so I know this might be an uphill battle. I have no birth certificate for her, know nothing about her other than she was in Cardiff around the docks by 1949, married in London to George Xerri and described as a restaurant waitress in 1953, and dead in 1991 in Cardiff as Edith Xerri. I've found a couple of James Sullivans on the census records, but there's no telling if they're the right ones. I'd love to know her beginnings. I appreciate this is not going to be an easy search, but any information about her and her family would be appreciated.
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Free BMD has this birth - you could check
June quarter 1926 Merthyr T. 11a 126
Edith M Sullivan mmn Price
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Again - to check
Marriage Bedwellty September 1914
James Sullivan and Susannah Price
There are several births with these two names - all Merthyr Tydfil and as they are both common names it is difficult to say if all are the same family.
1939 shows a couple - James and Susannah Sullivan with children. Some can be found amongst those on Free BMD. No Edith, but if this is the correct family, she might be redacted.
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That's fantastic, a great start. If that's my James Sullivan, my God, what a lot of children to support on a coal miner's wage! Do you happen to have access to the 1939 census? My subscription has run out. If you have a subscription, could you send me a copy of the entry for James and Susanna? Thanks anyway for that information.
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There may be other Sullivan/Price families.
Sorry we can’t post 1939.
As I said though, Edith is not there and James is not a miner.
The birth certificate would help as you have the birthdate and then you could go from there.
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https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
Confirms that birth as Edith May but unfortunately you would have to purchase the certificate as it is not available in the cheaper download.
There are several trees for various children but Edith is not mentioned as a sibling. This may be because she is redacted in 1939 and tree owners have not made the connection.
Or, of course, may be someone entirely different!
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What was the address on her marriage certificate? Perhaps a family member witnessed the wedding
For info. from Glamorganshire, Wales, Electoral Registers, 1832-1978
Pontlottyn Ward - various years including 1939
James, Susannah & Eugene Sullivan
Residence Street Address 13 Union Street
Residence Place Glamorgan, Wales
Parliamentary Division Caerphilly Division
Eugene Sullivan mmn Price Sept qtr. 1921
his 1992 death entry surname is O'Sullivan dob 13 Jul 1921
Year 1954 there is a Edith M, T Sullivan (freeBMD 1928- male mmn Price) & R Sullivan (freebmd 1924 - female mmn Price) with James & Susannah Sullivan
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That looks good Ladyhawk. Thank you.
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Many thanks for that. Edith was married in May 1953 in St Pancras, London. The witnesses were two people who were living at the same address as her and her husband.
The "Year 1954 there is a Edith M, T Sullivan (freeBMD 1928- male mmn Price) & R Sullivan (freebmd 1924 - female mmn Price) with James & Susannah Sullivan" comment is interesting as I've been unable to find her in London with her husband in 1954. Can you somehow send me a link to that information?
Thank you for all your help!
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Can you somehow send me a link to that information?
You'll only be able to view it if you have a subscription to Anc*y
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01su9/
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I think I'll go for a 14-day free trial. Many thanks for all the help.
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I wonder if this might be James Sullivan on 1901 census
This James has a brother named Eugene - James Sullivan & Susannah nee Price named a son Eugene :-\
Piece 5021 Folio 22 Page number 6
8 Hill Road
John Sullivan Head 49 Ireland coal miner hewer
Honora wife 46 Monmouthshire
Eugene son 17 coal miner hewer
5 step children surname CARTHY
Patrick 23, Daniel 17 & Dennis 15, Margaret 19 & Mary 14
JAMES Sullivan 8
All others born Pontlottyn
Edit to add
There is a James & Susannah Sullivan living 8 Hill Road Year 1933
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01sua/
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Lovely, thanks. Yes, I'd seen that and wondered the same thing. I think I need to get that probably birth certificate for Edith and find the mother's name and then take it from there. Hopefully it will be Price and I'll be on the right road. Thanks so much!
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I think I need to get that probably birth certificate for Edith and find the mother's name and then take it from there.
Hopefully it will be Price and I'll be on the right road.
That is a good idea it will also confirm her date of birth and hopefully her mother's first name will be Susannah - let us know how you get on :)
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I wonder if this might be James Sullivan on 1901 census
This James has a brother named Eugene - James Sullivan & Susannah nee Price named a son Eugene :-\
Piece 5021 Folio 22 Page number 6
8 Hill Road
John Sullivan Head 49 Ireland coal miner hewer
Honora wife 46 Monmouthshire
Eugene son 17 coal miner hewer
5 step children surname CARTHY
Patrick 23, Daniel 17 & Dennis 15, Margaret 19 & Mary 14
JAMES Sullivan 8
All others born Pontlottyn
Edit to add
There is a James & Susannah Sullivan living 8 Hill Road Year 1933
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01sua/
Hi Pebble351- just to keep on the back burner IF James Sullivan parents are John & Honora
Probably marriage entry
Mar 1891 Bedwelty 11a 164
John Thomas
Jones Sarah Ann
McCarthy Honorah
Sullivan John
GRO indexes has following births Merthyr Tydfil all have mmn MISKILL
James SULLIVAN Sept 1892 - you can purchase a digital image cost £2.50 from GRO indexes
Denis MCCARTHY Mar 1888
Mary. “ Dec 1885
Daniel “ Sept 1883
Margaret “ Jun 1881
These names seem to be a match for some of the children born Pontlottyn from the 1901 census above living 8 Hill Road
1911 census John McCarthy and some of his siblings are living at 8 Hill Road,
his brother James surname McCarthy not Sullivan born c1893 Pontlottyn occ coal miner hewer
1921 census
using advance search
surname SULLIVAN
address 8 Hill Road
Parish Gelligaer
Free index shows these people together you would need a sub to look at the original
James 1892 Pontlottyn
James 1918 -
Norah 1916 -
Susan 1894 Monmouthshire
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Brilliant. I'll keep a note of all of that. I do wish my ancestors had unique names! I mean, Sullivan in Pontlottyn! Almost as hard to track down as Jones. Thanks so much for the pointers. On her 1953 marriage certificate Edith gives her father's occupation as coal miner. I'll get access to the 1939 census with a 14-day free trial, but I think someone here mentioned that that James Sullivan wasn't a coal miner on that census. Anyway, it may all come clear...
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Just found this on familysearch there is a picture attached of James Sullivan & Susanna Price and also their son and daughter
https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/LD2P-83K/james-sullivan-1892-1955
if you don't have an account it's free to join
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Blimey, that is astonishing! Amazing stuff! Thank you so much. Now I just have to make the connection by getting her birth cert and finding her mother's name. This is brilliant! Thank you so much.
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Just to let you know, I didn't need to get Edith's birth certificate after all, I only needed to put it on the Pontlottyn Facebook page! I've been inundated with messages from relatives of Edith and her siblings and yes, this is definitely the Edith I'm looking for, daughter of James and Susannah Sullivan. James was the son of John and Honora Sullivan. John, an Irishman, went over to Wales during the Great Famine and settled there. Everything you gave me matched up, including the addresses, the step-siblings, etc. The only thing is James and Susannah's children, which have been confirmed as James, Norah, Eugene, Rachel, Edith May, Terence, Susannah, Patricia, Dennis and Brian. Several of those didn't appear on FreeBMD. Dennis is still alive and he'll be 90 next year. I'm in touch with his son. You can imagine in a family of ten children how many people there are in the family tree! Thanks for your help.
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That’s lovely news. You must be thrilled. :)
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There is also a Mary Sullivan 1919 with mother's maiden name Price, she may have died young as she is not with the family in 1921only Norah and James.
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Yes, I'm told Susannah had 13 children in total, so I'd say Mary was one of those three lost.
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That’s lovely news. You must be thrilled. :)
Ditto :)
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Hi.
What Facebook page would that be please?
There seem to be a few.
Is there a Roman Catholic burial ground at Pontlottyn?
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/691965290864558
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Thank you - much appreciated