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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: Willison on Sunday 10 December 23 21:16 GMT (UK)
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Hi, I am looking for the origins of Frederick Albert Lodge who was married in Glasgow in 1930. He is listed as being 36 years old (b.c. 1894?), a widower and a "newspaper checker". His father is given as Ernest Lodge, a hotel proprietor, and Annie Lodge, now Thompson, m.s. Collor (Spanish I'm told).
Frederick Albert Lodge is not a common name combination in Scotland in my experience within the records and in real life and I can find no prior mention of him or his parents in the Scottish records so I assume he may well have been English.
Long shot I know but does anyone out there recognise this chap, or indeed can suggest a source I can search.
Many thanks :)
Willison
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There's this chap
Frederick Albert Lodge
Baptism 21 Jun 1893 St John the Divine, Kennington, Lambeth,
Father Ernest Lodge, labourer
Mother Nellie Lodge
address Elfin Road
He looks to be the right chap, despite the difference in detail, given his mother's surname in 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWG6-JB4
This is 1901
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9CL-NWJ
I've found Ernest and Nellie in 1891 (her Preece children are using the lodge surname) = he's no hotel proprietor. He's a carman
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Birth registration
LODGE, FREDERICK ALBERT
mmn COLLOR
Q3 1893 LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 463
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Wow, Mabel.
This is a fantastic help, and so promptly delivered. I am researching this man as he appears on my wife's friend's tree that I am researching but I could find no earlier trace of him in Scotland prior to his marriage entry for 1930.
It's definitely the same man IMO, despite the minor inconsistencies.
Thank you once again.
Best regards
Willison
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Parents' marriage
Ernest Henry William Copestake Lodge, 26. Carman
Father John Lodge. Gardener
Nellie Preece, 29 widow
Father William Collor, carpenter (deceased)
Marriage 9 Sep 1888 Saint Jude, Bethnal Green: Old Bethnal Green Road, Tower Hamlets, England
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... and again, thank you. ;D
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https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/
Above are the links to two free resources :
The GRO registrations index is free to search, Births and Death, but you need to register first. With the Births, the MMS is recorded (unless it's an illegitimate birth where the child's surname is taken to be the MMS)
FreeBMD is a free resource. The MMS was not added to the source indexes until (from) Sep 1911
Cheers
AMBLY
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This will need checking out.
Frederick Albert(V C) Lodge 1st married Mary Lucy Rule in JQ 1916 Newcastle. 2 daughters born.
Margaret Rule Lodge 1917 Newcastle (believe died as Margaret Rule Dilnutt 1999 dob 27 11. 1917
Enid Dorothy Lodge MQ 1922 Newcastle --died aged 0 MQ 1922.
Frederick/Mary L & Margaret on 1921 census
Mary Lucy Lodge dies aged 37 1926 Hackney
Frederick re-married 1930 to Elizabeth Keith
Daughter (cannot name as may be alive) born 1930 in Denniston, Scotland. Named after deceased daughter born 1922.
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added: daughter born in 1930 Enid Dorothy died 1979 in Glasgow Martha Street, surnames recorded as, Lodge,Jensen,McFadden,Shaw & Ward.
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Frederick Albert was born 15th May 1893 according to GRO birth image
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Added:
Elizabeth Lodge nee' Keith died 1979 Glasgow Martha Street, mother's maiden name Colgan
Daughter Margaret Rule Lodge (1917-1999) 1st marriage sq 1954 Bromley to Robert G Burston (1910-1972), 2nd marriage Margaret R Burston sq 1973 to Ralph A(Arnold) Dilnutt (1912-2003)
Death
LODGE, ERNEST HENRY WILLIAM aged 35
GRO Reference: 1898 M Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 431
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Hi Ambly and Softly Softly (& Mabel)
I'd like to thank you all for the above information and links. I am presently trying to compile a family tree for a very good friend of my wife, and this line was proving troublesome as, as I suspected, the line originated south of the border, and outwith my experience.
The info that comes bang up to date is startiung to take in recent generations for which I already had some info so I know we are on the right line for certain.
I will check out all the links provided and collate everything into the tree I already have over the next few weeks as time allows.
Once again, thank you all very much.
Best regards ;D
Willison
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Do you have Frederick Albert’s death record?
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Nellie Collor is proving a little more difficult to track down before she marries William Smith Preece in 1881
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Do you have Frederick Albert’s death record?
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No, I'm afraid not.
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Nellie Collor is proving a little more difficult to track down before she marries William Smith Preece in 1881
The friend whose family tree I am researching believes that Nellie Collor was of Spanish origin.
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I think she is probably Ellen in 1881, living in Islington with her sister Mary Ann ELTON, and brother-in-law Joseph.
COLLOR, ELLEN
Mother's maiden surname: BELL
GRO Reference: 1859 J Quarter in WEST HAM UNION Volume 04A Page 4
The friend whose family tree I am researching believes that Nellie Collor was of Spanish origin.
It looks like her parents are from Essex, so a bit further north. ;D
Debra :D
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I think she is probably Ellen in 1881, living in Islington with her sister Mary Ann ELTON, and brother-in-law Joseph.
COLLOR, ELLEN
Mother's maiden surname: BELL
GRO Reference: 1859 J Quarter in WEST HAM UNION Volume 04A Page 4
The friend whose family tree I am researching believes that Nellie Collor was of Spanish origin.
It looks like her parents are from Essex, so a bit further north. ;D
Debra :D
Following Nellie through 1911/21 census and London Electoral register's from 1921-1939 she lives at 86 Mabley Street, Hackney. Her dob is recorded as 25th March 1859 which ties in nicely with the Ellen birth as posted. She is not at this address in 1946. Believe she died aged 83 in 1942 Essex S W.
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1861 census for Ellen
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2ML-GDKX
All children have mmn Bell
Marriages Mar 1846
Bell Rhoda Maldon 12 219
Collar William Maldon 12 219
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I think she is probably Ellen in 1881, living in Islington with her sister Mary Ann ELTON, and brother-in-law Joseph.
COLLOR, ELLEN
Mother's maiden surname: BELL
GRO Reference: 1859 J Quarter in WEST HAM UNION Volume 04A Page 4
The friend whose family tree I am researching believes that Nellie Collor was of Spanish origin.
It looks like her parents are from Essex, so a bit further north. ;D
Debra :D
:D We all make mistakes. :D
Thank you for this information.
Indeed thank you all for your incredible help. The info is coming in faster than I can presently process it. There's much to take it when I get the chance over the festive period.
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Just wish I could find Frederick Albert’s death
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Just wish I could find Frederick Albert’s death
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All I know (prior to all the subsequent info I have been provided with on here) is he was a widower when he married in Glasgow in 1930 aged 36, and working as a newspaper checker.
No sign of a death in the Scottish records under the name F.A.L.
He did list his father as Ernest Lodge, a hotel proprietor, on his wedding certificate, but someone found elsewhere that his dad was a carman in London.
Maybe he was - in Glasgow parlance - a "chancer" and tried to make himself seem grander to his 18 year old bride than he actually was.
Who knows, maybe some time after this marriage he reinvented himself under another name? (as my 2x great grandfather did to conceal 2 bigamous marriages)
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Trying to eliminate!!
Births Jun 1893
Lodge Frederick Albert Romford 4a 397 mmn Lutkins. dob 21.3.1893, still alive in 1939 with dob 31.3.1893, 1945 electoral register Stepney with son Owen Herbert Lodge
Births Sep 1893
Lodge Frederick Albert Lambeth 1d 463 mmn Collor, dob 15.5.1893 Still alive in 1930. Potential burial 24th April 1933. Died in Guy's Hospital. Death jq 1933 Southwark aged 39
Births Sep 1894
Lodge Frederick Albert W. Derby 8b 542 mmn Summerson, dob13.7.1894, appears on 1939 war reg and dies with that dob in 1972
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Trying to eliminate!!
Births Jun 1893
Lodge Frederick Albert Romford 4a 397 mmn Lutkins. dob 21.3.1893, still alive in 1939 with dob 31.3.1893, 1945 electoral register Stepney with son Owen Herbert Lodge
Births Sep 1893
Lodge Frederick Albert Lambeth 1d 463 mmn Collor, dob 15.5.1893 Still alive in 1930. Potential burial 24th April 1933. Died in Guy's Hospital. Death jq 1933 Southwark aged 39
Births Sep 1894
Lodge Frederick Albert W. Derby 8b 542 mmn Summerson, dob13.7.1894, appears on 1939 war reg and dies with that dob in 1972
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The middle one with the mmn Collor looks likely :)
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Nellie/Ellen's parents & siblings in 1851 census.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGVZ-FL3
Census intimates that William her father was previously married as Sarah the daughter is aged 11 with Rhoda being aged 22
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General info only. Nellie/Ellen's (1859) parents.
Rhoda 1841 census ref 345 4 2--with father William-occupation Gardener
Rhoda & William Collier 1851 census ref 1768 110 2
Rhoda & William Coller 1861 census ref 297 81 7
William's death
COLLAR, WILLIAM aged 46
GRO Reference: 1861 D Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN Volume 01C Page 386
13.6.1867 Maldon Essex, Rhoda Collar re-marries William Foster
1871 ************** unknown
9.6.1872 Rhoda remarries as Rhoda Collor to Samuel Wedge. Father William Bell occ Gardener Image on Findmypast
1881 census ref 3163 42 25
1891 census ref 2532 99 30
1901 census ref 2990 42 38
Rhoda's death
Rhoda Mary Wedge
Age 74
Estimated Birth Year abt 1833
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Death Registration Place Leicester, Leicestershire, United Kingdom
Death Date Mar 1907
Inferred Death Place Leicestershire, United Kingdom
Volume 7a
Page 151
Samuel Wedge died 1907
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General info only. Nellie/Ellen's (1859) parents.
Rhoda 1841 census ref 345 4 2--with father William-occupation Gardener
Rhoda & William Collier 1851 census ref 1768 110 2
Rhoda & William Coller 1861 census ref 297 81 7
William's death
COLLAR, WILLIAM aged 46
GRO Reference: 1861 D Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN Volume 01C Page 386
13.6.1867 Maldon Essex, Rhoda Collar re-marries William Foster
1871 ************** unknown
9.6.1872 Rhoda remarries as Rhoda Collor to Samuel Wedge. Father William Bell occ Gardener Image on Findmypast
1881 census ref 3163 42 25
1891 census ref 2532 99 30
1901 census ref 2990 42 38
Rhoda's death
Rhoda Mary Wedge
Age 74
Estimated Birth Year abt 1833
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Death Registration Place Leicester, Leicestershire, United Kingdom
Death Date Mar 1907
Inferred Death Place Leicestershire, United Kingdom
Volume 7a
Page 151
Samuel Wedge died 1907
Many thanks :)