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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Treetotal on Thursday 07 December 23 14:33 GMT (UK)
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Here is one for the Vintage Car enthusiasts... would appreciate a date and make for this postcard photo please. Brunswick Garage brought up no matches that I could find on the internet :-\
Thanks for looking.
Carol
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I think U was used for Leeds, pre 1921.
There was/is a Brunswick hotel in Bridlington.
Can't help on the make of car, sorry.
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From newspaper adverts spotted Brunswick Hotels at Morley and Wetherby - early 1900s - and a Brunswick Garage at Camp Road, Brampton.
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Is it a taxi, a Rolls??
But being a mere female what do I know!
LM
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Radiator is wrong shape for a Rolls-Royce?
And no lady/angel on the top of the radiator.
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my attempt (see all pictures on link)
https://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/model-t-taxi.htm
SS
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I think U was used for Leeds, pre 1921.
There was/is a Brunswick hotel in Bridlington.
Can't help on the make of car, sorry.
Thanks for that Dublin, I appreciate your help, I will check it out.
Carol
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From newspaper adverts spotted Brunswick Hotels at Morley and Wetherby - early 1900s - and a Brunswick Garage at Camp Road, Brampton.
Good information HT.
Thanks, that's really helpful.
Carol
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Is it a taxi, a Rolls??
But being a mere female what do I know!
LM
You are in good company LM. I know nothing about cards!
Carol
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Radiator is wrong shape for a Rolls-Royce?
And no lady/angel on the top of the radiator.
Thanks KG for ruling that one out, it helps to narrow it down.
Carol
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Radiator is wrong shape for a Rolls-Royce?
And no lady/angel on the top of the radiator.
Good spot KG and very helpful, thanks for your input.
Carol
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my attempt (see all pictures on link)
https://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/model-t-taxi.htm
SS
Oh thanks for the great link, there are similarities to the one I posted, will take a better look later.
Carol
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my attempt
https://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/model-t-taxi.htm
SS
I think you could be right. All the detail points that I've tried to compare seem to match - shape of radiator and extent of chrome; number of wheel spokes; flange on front mudguards - not to mention the luggage rack with its scrolls at the front.
The location might be Leeds city centre. There was a Brunswick Hotel on Vicar Lane - it's more or less dead centre on this map from 1891:
https://maps.nls.uk/view/229947264
And here's a picture:
https://www.leodis.net/viewimage/94266
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The Ford Model T Taxi looks a good bet!
Compare headlamps, side/carriage lamps, door handle.
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That's what I thought but was swayed by someone else, as i said, what do I know!!
LM
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The location might be Leeds city centre. There was a Brunswick Hotel on Vicar Lane - it's more or less dead centre on this map from 1891:
https://maps.nls.uk/view/229947264
And here's a picture:
https://www.leodis.net/viewimage/94266
Morley might work too - here are a map and picture:
https://maps.nls.uk/view/237469144 - towards the right on Brunswick Street (curly, goes left to right)
https://www.leodis.net/viewimage/107674
In a modern street view it's a red brick building with grey paintwork, but note the entry down the side with stone setts, as in the photo. (Sorry - when I copy a link from Google street view it's just coming up as a map, so there doesn't seem much point.)
ADDED:
Another photo - https://www.leodis.net/viewimage/117773
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The Ford Model T Taxi looks a good bet!
Compare headlamps, side/carriage lamps, door handle.
My Oh said that too.
Thanks for that.
Carol
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Changing my mind again - there are adverts in the Leeds Mercury around 1911-12 (maybe more) for a firm operating taxi cabs from Brunswick Garage, Camp Road, Leeds. And a report in the 29 Oct 1912 edition (p.3) of a pair of crooks trying to sell stolen jewellery to the landlord of the Brunswick Hotel, Camp Road.
More to follow if I find it.
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The location might be Leeds city centre. There was a Brunswick Hotel on Vicar Lane - it's more or less dead centre on this map from 1891:
https://maps.nls.uk/view/229947264
And here's a picture:
https://www.leodis.net/viewimage/94266
Morley might work too - here are a map and picture:
https://maps.nls.uk/view/237469144 - towards the right on Brunswick Street (curly, goes left to right)
https://www.leodis.net/viewimage/107674
In a modern street view it's a red brick building with grey paintwork, but note the entry down the side with stone setts, as in the photo. (Sorry - when I copy a link from Google street view it's just coming up as a map, so there doesn't seem much point.)
ADDED:
Another photo - https://www.leodis.net/viewimage/117773
Great photo of The Brunswick Arthur, thanks for taking the time.
Carol
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Changing my mind again - there are adverts in the Leeds Mercury around 1911-12 (maybe more) for a firm operating taxi cabs from Brunswick Garage, Camp Road, Leeds. And a report in the 29 Oct 1912 edition (p.3) of a pair of crooks trying to sell stolen jewellery to the landlord of the Brunswick Hotel, Camp Road.
More to follow if I find it.
Great stuff Arthur....I really appreciate your help.
Carol
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OK, here's a bit more on the Brunswick Hotel in Camp Road, Leeds.
In the 1911 census the landlord is a Herbert Hollings - his own writing is virtually indecipherable, and this is taken from the cover page. The address on the cover is 24 Brunswick Terrace, Camp Road, but (as far as I can make out) on the form he gives his address as Brunswick Hotel.
I've now found this on a Leeds street map - in the middle here:
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=19.3&lat=53.80271&lon=-1.54130&layers=117746211&b=9
So if the photo was taken here, I suspect the garage would have been round the back on Jacob Street. Unfortunately the Leodis site doesn't seem to have any pictures of Jacob Street that would help.
It does have a number of pictures of Brunswick Terrace, but I couldn't see one with the hotel. The best I could do was this one at the corner with Camp Road, and I think the hotel would have been just off to the left:
https://www.leodis.net/viewimage/75944
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Looking at old newspaper mentions:
There was a Brunswick garage, Bridge Street, Bridlington, around the corner from a Brunswick hotel.
There was a Brunswick garage in Cross Belgrave Street Leeds - don't know about proximity to a Brunmswick hotel.
Brunswick garage also in Siddals' Road, Derby.
Brunswick garage in Camp Road. Leeds, also near a Brunswick Hotel
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OK, here's a bit more on the Brunswick Hotel in Camp Road, Leeds.
In the 1911 census the landlord is a Herbert Hollings - his own writing is virtually indecipherable, and this is taken from the cover page. The address on the cover is 24 Brunswick Terrace, Camp Road, but (as far as I can make out) on the form he gives his address as Brunswick Hotel.
I've now found this on a Leeds street map - in the middle here:
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=19.3&lat=53.80271&lon=-1.54130&layers=117746211&b=9
So if the photo was taken here, I suspect the garage would have been round the back on Jacob Street. Unfortunately the Leodis site doesn't seem to have any pictures of Jacob Street that would help.
It does have a number of pictures of Brunswick Terrace, but I couldn't see one with the hotel. The best I could do was this one at the corner with Camp Road, and I think the hotel would have been just off to the left:
https://www.leodis.net/viewimage/75944
Thanks for your interest and your input Arthur, I appreciate you taking the time to look.
Carol
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Looking at old newspaper mentions:
There was a Brunswick garage, Bridge Street, Bridlington, around the corner from a Brunswick hotel.
It looks like you have solved it Dublin, The postcard was bought in Hull on the East Yorkshire coast so Bridlington fits. :)
Thank you for that, well done.
Carol
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It looks like you have solved it Dublin, The postcard was bought in Hull on the East Yorkshire coast so Bridlington fits. :)
I can't deny that Bridlington is a possibility, but remember that the car has a Leeds registration plate, and the blackened brickwork might fit Leeds better than Bridlington. And people do/did go from Leeds to Hull and vice versa, even if rather reluctantly.
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This has been really interesting. LM
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It looks like you have solved it Dublin, The postcard was bought in Hull on the East Yorkshire coast so Bridlington fits. :)
I can't deny that Bridlington is a possibility, but remember that the car has a Leeds registration plate, and the blackened brickwork might fit Leeds better than Bridlington. And people do/did go from Leeds to Hull and vice versa, even if rather reluctantly.
Thanks for that Arthur, you make a valid point, I will keep an open mind.
Carol
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I thought I might join in and take a look at Bridlington. :)
Shop to let in Bridge Street, see P.3 (map):
https://www.heaneymicklethwaite.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/16-Bridge-Street-Bridlington-18.8.16.pdf
Street view of Bridge Street, with Brunswick Hotel (side?) door (main entrance appears to be on Manor Street) and what is marked as "garage" on the map in the previous link:
(https://up.picr.de/46744762mb.jpg)
Street view of Manor Street, with hotel and archway:
(https://up.picr.de/46744763no.jpg)
Closer view of archway:
(https://up.picr.de/46744765zd.jpg)
My brain is probably seeing too much similarity in the curve of the paving stones. ::) Wishful thinking?! (I realise the stones themselves are different, but it could be that the old design was retained...)
There are apparently businesses in the yard beyond the archway, so there could - theoretically - have been a (repair) garage in there.
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Those are great images Karen and look very much like we are in the right area :)
Thanks so much for coming to the party ;D
Carol
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;D ;D ;D
I didn't realise the pictures were going to be so huge! ::)
I felt I had to join in, seeing as I live about 2.5km from the "original" Brunswick (Braunschweig), in N. Germany... 8)
It's a shame there is not more to go on in the original photo. And Arthurk raised a lot of good points re: other towns. But who knows... Maybe we will solve the mystery once and for all one day... :)
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Bit late on this one but can advise that the car registration U-1468 was issued by the County Borough Council of Leeds in the latter part of 1910. The car shown was manufactured by one of the earliest and most prestigious manufacturers of the day, Napier, who made their first car in 1899. Their vehicles were mostly very large and exotic, racers and record breakers. At the other end of their production programme, they also manufactured a vehicle that became very popular as a Taxi in London and elsewhere. From 1908 to 1911 they made over 700 15HP Landaulettes available with either 1.3L 2 Cylinder or 2.7L 4 Cylinder engine. Many were exported. During World War One they supplied over 2,000 trucks and ambulances to the war effort. So this is a cca 1910 Napier 15HP Landaulette.
Have also slightly enhanced the photo.
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Thanks so much Vintman for your very interesting and informative reply and for taking the time to respond.
I love this postcard,
Carol