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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: HarryFreeman on Saturday 25 November 23 14:32 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to find my Hugenot ancestors Pierre Delespaulle & Marie Hanrot but having difficulties.
I have located some of there childrens birth records from French Church Threadneedle Street:
Pierre Delespaulle baptised 8th of March 1674
Elie Delespaulle baptised 1st of January 1673
Marie Delespaule 29th September 1678
Based on the children’s baptismal years I believe Mary & Pierre dob to be somewhere between 1620-1660
The names do vary to some degree in spelling for Pierre and Marie as follows:
LePaule DelePaule Delepaulle Delespaulle Hanro Hanrot Henro Lepla
I have a suspicion that Marie Hanrot could be a sibling of a well documented hugenot by the name of Jonas Hanrot born in Sedan and moved to London but I am unable to certify this.
Any help tracing Marie & Paul would be great - I don’t even really know where to start
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Is this another one?
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Have you looked here?
https://www.huguenotsociety.org.uk/family-history.html
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A Jacob Delespau was baptised at the Walloon or Strangers church, Canterbury, son of Abraham 20 March 1663
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Guillaume baptised 21 March 1676/7 Threadneedle st, son of Pierre De Lespaule & Marie Hanro
Elizabeth De L’Espaule bap 25 Dec 1684 ditto etc Marie Henro
So Marie unlikely to have been born before 1640
Godmother for Guillaume is an Ann Hanro
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A very tempting Abraham here baptised in 1606 Sedan. Perhaps a bit old to be the father of Jacob but….
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVN3-WPXB
In any case, you can page right through that document to see if anyone else stands out
Like this baptism for a Marie Henrot in 1648 dau of Henri & Marie Cazette
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DRC7-X6N?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQVN3-4JKP&action=view
But I am aware this could be all one big rabbit hole!
Especially as yet to find a Henry/Henri baptised to Pierre & Marie
Or the marriage of Pierre & Marie
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Hi mckha489 I have difficulties reading old writing but am I correct to think that Jacobs father named as Pierre? Interesting that one child baptised in Canterbury but the rest in Threadneedle Street if so…
Where have you found the entry for Guillaume?
This is all great stuff
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https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/4046296:2972?tid=&pid=&queryId=bede9b6fcdb14b7a53158f2522d89340&_phsrc=fIl1&_phstart=successSource
I cannot figure out the name of the godfather.
It would be worth asking on the handwriting board if no one picks it up here.
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Hi mckha489 I have difficulties reading old writing but am I correct to think that Jacobs father named as Pierre? Interesting that one child baptised in Canterbury but the rest in Threadneedle Street if so…
No, it isn’t a child of Pierre’s at Canterbury, I was just casting around looking for Jacob (the godfather of Jacob junior)
Jacob (junior’s 1675, father is Pierre, and Marie Anro/Ano (silent H ) his mother. Godfather is another Jacob
But there are other possibilities around Spitalfields. Also other potential family with names like Solomon & Isaac
I think you will just have to Plough through them all with wildcards eg D*l*p* and build family groups . Looking at the original images where you can as you get other people mentioned who will help link them.
Frustrating that so far I do not see a marriage for Pierre & Marie though.
Looking at the children of Pierre & Marie, it is clear some are still missing. Some work there in the first instance is needed I think (as people frequently name children after other family).
Which one are you descended from? What are their children’s names
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There is quite a group with various spellings in Canterbury
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Susanne de Lespaule (indexed as De Lespaulls) baptised 18 August 1680 Spitalfields dau of Pierre & Marie
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So Children I have found to date all baptised Non-conformist /Walloon London are:-
Elie (male) 1672/3
Pierre 1673/4
Jacob 1675
Guillaume 1676/7
Marie 1678
Susanne 1680
Elizabeth 1684
Which is your ancestor.
Can you please give details of their marriage & family
Have you found a death for wither parent?
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Hi
Just to add looks like another daughter
Judith De L'Epaulle d of Pierre and Marie Hares? 1.8.1683.
Ciderdrinker
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So Children I have found to date all baptised Non-conformist /Walloon London are:-
Elie (male) 1672/3
Pierre 1673/4
Jacob 1675
Guillaume 1676/7
Marie 1678
Susanne 1680
Elizabeth 1684
Which is your ancestor.
Can you please give details of their marriage & family
Have you found a death for wither parent?
I have carried out extensive research of the de l'Epaule (and numerous other spellings) family from their likely origins in Sedan, Ardennes, France to my great grandmother Eliza Charlotte Shoulder, who was born Shoreditch in 1853.
The French name (épaule=Shoulder) was anglicized to Shoulder in the late 17th and early 18th centuries, especially as they began to move to the C of E for marriages and burials, both versions often being used for individuals at some time during their lives. One good example is Mathieu De l'Espaule (baptised 1677), Matthew D'Shoulder (Marriage 1711) and Matthew Lepaule (burial 1765).
I believe that Mattieu's father Jacob de l'Espaule (de l'Epaule and Lapole at his two marriages and Shoalder [sic] at burial) may have been the brother of Pierre, the (compelling, but not conclusive) evidence of that being that Jacob Delepaule was the godfather of Pierre & Marie's son Jacob and Marie Henro was the godmother of my Jacob & Catherine's son Matthieu.
Jacob's (and possibly Pierre's) parents were Charles de l'Epaule and Rachel Ouberlan/Huberlan, who married in 1642 in Sedan. Jacob was said to be a native of Paris at his 1676 marriage in London. Unfortunately I have not found Pierre & Marie's marrige record.
I agree with your list of the children of Pierre and Marie, and also with ciderdrinker's additional one.
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There is quite a group with various spellings in Canterbury
Indeed there is. I have listed all of them that I could find, but I have not found much evidence that the Canterbury and London branches of the family were closely related. In fact the only example I found was Salomon De Lespau & Esther Le Keux marrying in Canterbury in 1645 and then moving to London, where they had several children. My list shows that the family were established in Canterbury from at least 1583 while Jacob (and probably Pierre) was born in France in c1655.
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Hmmm My ancestor is Peter LePla and many on ancestry seem to think his parents were Pierre and Mary however Peter was born abt 1656. Perhaps he is a brother of Pierre’s.
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Hmmm My ancestor is Peter LePla and many on ancestry seem to think his parents were Pierre and Mary however Peter was born abt 1656. Perhaps he is a brother of Pierre’s.
I've seen countless variations of the spelling of De l'Espaule, but Le Pla is not one of them. Is there any evidence that it is (or may be) the same family?