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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: Jan Ann on Thursday 23 November 23 12:36 GMT (UK)
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Hi, Long time since I've been on here, so be gentle!
I'm searching for information on the Turner Family, originally from Sheffield, Eng. Last known whereabouts Ottawa, Ontario.
Alice Turner (nee Bowers) born 1871 Sheffield, wife of John Thomas Turner, is seen on the 1911 Canadian Census, residing with her sister Lucy Stille (nee Bowers) and her husband and family
DETAILS: Ottawa City, Carleton, Ontario, Canada: Stille, Frederick C, Head, Born Sept 1879, aged 32, Born England, Civil Servant; Lucy Stille, Wife, Born Aug 1875 aged 36, Born England; Ellen Mabel Stille, Daughter, born Jan 1905, Ontario; Wilhelmina Stille, Daughter, aged 1907, aged 3, Born Ontario; Frederick Stille, Son, born Oct 1908, aged 2, Born Ontario; Winifred Stille, Daughter, Born Feb 1911, Ontario; Frederick W Bowers, Father, Widowed, born Nov 1845, aged 66, Born England; Alice Turner, Sister, Single, born Sept 1872 aged 39, Born England:
Lucy emigrated 1903, Alice is on a ship manifesto 1907, their father Fred W Bowers 1911
Alice and her estranged husband had one son John Thomas Turner born 1896 Sheffield. I havent found him on a ship's list going to Canada yet, but in 1917 he attested for the Canadian forces, listing himself as single, and his address was in Charleston, MA, USA. His NOK was listed as his mother Alice Turner, address 33 Dufferin Rd, New Edinburgh, Ottawa.
The next siting I have of John Thomas Junior was in a ship's list returning to Canada from England, in 1927, he is listed with his wife Emily Emelia (surname unknown) born c1894 Sheffield, and a daughter Phyllis Patricia born c1921 Ottawa, their returning address is listed as (what I decipher) as 434 Laurier Ave, Ottawa. Their last address/relative in England is listed as Father, Mr ???? (Furness ?) 393 Manor Lane, Sheffield - see image attached, its a bit blurry. ::) If anyone has a different view of the names/addresses, let me know
In 1921 & 1931 I found Alice working as a widowed Housekeeper for Thomas O Workman and his daughter.
I cant find John, Emily Phyllis in 1931 Census, nor the address listed in 1927, or any other trace of them, Phyllis was born in Ottawa C1921, cant find a birth for her and I am struggling to find wife Emily's surname pre marriage, or their marriage in England/Canada.
Can anyone help or point me in some direction of resources. I have plenty of Information on Lucy Stille nee Bower so not looking for that, just more on Alice and her son and his family.
Many thanks in Advance
Cheers
Jan
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John Thomas Turner aged 40 married , " to wife", born England, dest. Ottawa. Ont. Coachman , intended occupation Railway Works
John Thomas Turner aged 18 single , " to mother " born England , dest. Ottawa , Groom.
Departure Liverpool, Arrived 21 May 1913 Quebec , Vessel Megantic.
The words " to wife" and " to mother " are entered in a column intended for details of previous visits to Canada but used on this manifest to indicate to whom the traveller is going.
Do these two match your family ?
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Hi Christine
In 1901 John Thomas Snr was an Engineers Carter born c1871 - I assumed he was estranged from Alice as she is listed as single on the 1911 census, then a widow in 1921 and 1931.
I wonder if John Snr was in MA, US in 1917 working on the railroad when John Jnr enlisted in 1917?
I will check USA records for a death/census in 1915 for them both, just in case.
Thank You :-*
Jan Ann
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There is a card showing Patricia crossing to the US with her mother , going to her father John Thomas Turner at 199 Harvard Street East Cambridge Massachusetts in 1928 :
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-9981-47BS-G?i=1597&cc=2185163&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQK3R-FTK2
Here is the family on the 1930 US census :
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XQGR-8FV
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I think Phyllis is with her father and Grandmother in 1940 in Massachusetts :
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9M1-4VRT?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AK4V6-8CR&action=view
The form appears to say that Alice is John's wife , but looking at the ages that is incorrect.
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Hi Christine
Thanks so much for your help, I'll concentrate the search for them in the US, see if I can find anything.
Just the surname of Emily Emelia?marriage to John Jnr and the Birth of Phyllis to figure out.
Gratefully appreciated.
Cheers
Jan Ann
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There is an obituary for John Thomas Turner. Basic details are on Ancestry but a sub to newspapers.com is required to look at the original :
John T Turner
69
b 7 Mar 1896
Sheffield
Married 28 Sep 1941
Cambridge, Massachusetts
Died 1966
Obituary date 17 Jan 1966
Poughkeepsie Journal
Parents : John T Turner , Alice Bowers Turner
Spouse : Gladys Backman
Daughter: Phyllis O Rough Unn
This indicates a second marriage and a marriage for Phyllis - her name doesn't make sense but I've typed what the transcript says.
Someone with a sub to newspapers.com will be along, I'm sure.
Edit : Phyllis appears to be Phyllis O'Roughlinn - thanks to Sandra for the link to the article.
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Great finds Christine. :)
Poughkeepsie Journal
Poughkeepsie, New York
Mon, 17 Jan 1966 Page 14
https://www.newspapers.com/article/poughkeepsie-journal/135644316/
Sandra
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Thanks so much Sandra & Christine - making progress!
I think Ive found a grave for Alice and her daughter in law Emily.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/164023720/alice-turner
Cheers
Jan Ann
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FIND A GRAVE has a photo of a gravestone with Alice (1871 - 1945) and Emily (1894 - 1940)
Evergreen Cemetery
Brighton, Suffolk County, Massachusetts.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/164023720/alice-turner
Sandra
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Emily Amelia Turner - 1894 (aged 34 years) born Sheffield - 10 February 1894 - married 25 October 1919 Montreal
Phyllis was born 20 December 1920 Ottawa.
Record Type Naturalization Declaration
Departure Place Ottawa, Canada - Arrival Place Newport, Vermont
Declaration Date 12 Apr 1928 - Declaration Place Middlesex
Ship Canadian Pacific Ry.
Spouse - John Thomas - Declaration Number 7727
Sandra
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Brilliant Sandra, that saves me a lot of work,
thanks so much. :-*
Cheers
Jan Ann
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I think the maiden name is Hewitt. (Back in a mo)
Sandra
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Canadian Passenger List - Emily A Hewitt - aged 25 years to Marry :- J T Turner - 44 Dufferin Road.
Destination Ottawa.
Emily A Hewitt - 1894 (aged 25 years) Departure Port Liverpool, England
Arrival Date 24 Oct 1919 Arrival Port Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Vessel Metagama.
Sandra
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Quebec, Canada, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1968
[Emily E. Hewitt]
Marriage Date 1919 Montreal (Montréal), Québec (Quebec), Canada
Marriage Church Église Rédempteur; Montréal
Place of Worship or Institution Église Anglican Rédempteur
Religion Anglican
Spouse Turner
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1901 UK census Moorfields Sheffield St Jude Sheffield Yorkshire.
Walter Hewitt - 44 Head
Mary A Hewitt 42 Wife
Joseph Parkin 21 Stepson (Step Son)
Polly Parkin 17 Stepdaughter (Step Daughter)
Carrie Hewitt 14 Daughter
Willis Hewitt 12 Son
Lavina Hewitt 10 Daughter
Emily Hewitt 7 Daughter
Walter Fredk Hewitt 5 Son
Arthur L Hewitt 11/12 Son
Sandra
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Parents marriage - Walter Frederick Hewitt
Spouse Surname [Parkin]
Registration Year 1899
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar Ecclesall Bierlow
Inferred County Yorkshire West Riding
Volume 9c Page 362
Walter Frederick Hewitt
Mary Ann Parkin
Sandra
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To avoid confusion :-
Just to note that the ancestry family tree with Emily Amelia Hewitt (daughter of Walter and Mary) shown as passing in 1947 Doncaster is in correct.
That particular Emily Amelia was Emily Amelie Tinsley (birth registered Doncaster April 1897) who married a Thomas W Hewitt in 1915 Doncaster. Has a daughter Sheila who was born and died in 1921
Sandra
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Gladys M. Turner 13 November 1908 NYC Millerton NY) - 7 August 2005 (aged 96 years)
Death Date 7 Aug 2005 Death Place Canaan
Burial Place Sharon, CT
Obituary Date 9 Aug 2005 Obituary Place Poughkeepsie, New York
Newspaper Title Poughkeepsie Journal
Parents Isaac Backman; Anne Elson Backman
Spouse John Thomas Turner.
Poughkeepsie Journal
Poughkeepsie, New York
Tue, 9 Aug 2005 Page 4B
https://www.newspapers.com/article/poughkeepsie-journal/135648406/
FIND A GRAVE
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/40375337/gladys-m.-turner
Sandra
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The daughter Phyllis Patricia Turner.
U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
Phyllis P Oloughlin - Birth Date 20 Dec 1920 - Death Date 9 Jan 1998
Claim Date 9 Sep 1974
Massachusetts Death Index - Phyllis P Oloughlin - 20 December 1920 Canada January 1998 Burlington
Certificate 016835
Sandra
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US City Directory - Phyllis P O'Loughlin
Residence Year 1972 - Street Address 36 Hefferan St A Apt C
Residence Place Boston, Massachusetts, USA
Spouse - John J O'Loughlin
Boston, Massachusetts, City Directory, 1972
John J A Phyllis P O'Loughlin
Residence Year 1977
Street Address 35 Hefferan St A Apt C Boston, Massachusetts.
Occupation Retd
Publication Title Boston, Massachusetts, City Directory, 1977
Sandra
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The Boston Globe
Boston, Massachusetts
Sat, 10 Jan 1998 Page 16
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-boston-globe/135649276/
The Boston Globe
Boston, Massachusetts
Sun, 11 Jan 1998 Page 81
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-boston-globe/135649355/
Sandra
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John and Phyllis O Loughlin on the 1950 census with 3 children - Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6F33-2LF5John and Phyllis O Loughlin on the 1950 census -
Sandra
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John J O Loughlin Jnr - son of Phyllis and John J O Loughlin
The Boston Globe
Boston, Massachusetts
Thu, 3 Apr 1986 Page 75
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-boston-globe/135650108/
Sandra
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Charles R O Loughlin - son of Phyllis and John O Loughlin
June 1, 1942 - May 9, 2020 (77 years old)
Maynard, Massachusetts.
https://www.echovita.com/us/obituaries/ma/maynard/charles-r-oloughlin-10848383
Sandra
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G Morning Sandra
Thanks so much for all your help, Ill spend the day making notes from all the links and info you've sent through, it is very much appreciated. :) :) :)
Kindest Regards
Jan Ann :-*
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We were pleased to help. Hope you had a fun day sorting thru it all.
Sandra :)