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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Sussex => England => Sussex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: toni* on Monday 20 November 23 13:32 GMT (UK)
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Hi, I haven't posted for a while, I hope you can help me
My 2 x great grandmother was Fanny Elizabeth Farmer
she was born on 26th December 1869 in Fletching and christened in July of the following year
Her mother was Elizabeth Farmer her father is unknown
I have found Elizabeth on the 1871 census as a servant aged 25 but there is no sign of Fanny
in 1873 Elizabeth married George Friend
in 1876 Elizabeth dies
George Friend goes on to marry Alice Steadman
Fanny is not with George in 1881
Fanny married in Feb 1891 and i can find her on the census after this and right up to her death in 1929
Fanny appears to have had a sister Harriett Amelia Farmer born in 1872 and christened in 1873 - again father unknown
1881 Harriett Amelia is with her uncle Richard Hatfield (her auntie Harriett nee Farmer was not present)
I also found Harriett Amelia in 1891 but after this i cannot find her
There was a funeral notice for Fanny Elizabeth in 1929 which mentions amongst her mourners Mrs Jefferies (Sister) and Tom Jefferies (Nephew)
I have no idea who Mrs Jefferies and Tom Jefferies are.
Hoping you can help.
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There is a Harriet A Farmer born 1872 in Lancaster in 1939
Possible death in 1960 age 85 - Lancaster registration district
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What was Fanny's married name please ?
Nesta
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Is Elizabeth Farmer the daughter of John Farmer and his wife Harriet nee Chatfield?
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Is Elizabeth Farmer the daughter of John Farmer and his wife Harriet nee Chatfield?
If so
John, Harriet and loads of children in 1851
Piece number 1640, Folio 491, Page 17
Several sisters who could have become Mrs Jefferies
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I've confused myself here - it was Fanny who had a sister called Mrs Jefferies not her mother Elizabeth
I was looking at Elizabeth's siblings to see if any of them could have been looking after her in 1871. She would only have been two and a few months.
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There is a Harriet A Farmer born 1872 in Lancaster in 1939
Possible death in 1960 age 85 - Lancaster registration district
Sorry I didn't say Harriett Amelia was born Fletching / Danehill
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What was Fanny's married name please ?
Nesta
Punnett
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Is Elizabeth Farmer the daughter of John Farmer and his wife Harriet nee Chatfield?
If so
John, Harriet and loads of children in 1851
Piece number 1640, Folio 491, Page 17
Several sisters who could have become Mrs Jefferies
MODIFIED
I've confused myself here - it was Fanny who had a sister called Mrs Jefferies not her mother Elizabeth
I was looking at Elizabeth's siblings to see if any of them could have been looking after her in 1871. She would only have been two and a few months.
That is the correct family - I have tried to do that mysely but have not found her !
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George Friend and Elizabeth had a daughter Sarah Ann Friend in 1874, she would have been Fanny's half sister. Have you researched her?
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There is a Harriet A Farmer born 1872 in Lancaster in 1939
Possible death in 1960 age 85 - Lancaster registration district
Sorry I didn't say Harriett Amelia was born Fletching / Danehill
The 1939 information does not give a place of birth
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There is a Harriet A Farmer born 1872 in Lancaster in 1939
Possible death in 1960 age 85 - Lancaster registration district
Sorry I didn't say Harriett Amelia was born Fletching / Danehill
The 1939 information does not give a place of birth
There's a Harriet A Farmer (single) in 1901 age 28, living Toxteth Park, but born Liverpool. Maybe she's the one who died in 1960.
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There's a Frederick Carlisle (b Orston, Notts) as a lodger in Fletchling in 1891. Harriet Amelia is still in Fletchling in 1891 as a servant. In 1901 Frederick with his wife Harriet (b Sussex, no parish recorded) are in Deptford with 4 children. Only checked one child so far (Lilian Ida b 1900) but mother's maiden name Farmer. So it is a strong possibility that Harriet Amelia has married Frederick or is living with him as his wife. There is a later child registered Frederick Robert Carlisle (Q1 1902) with mmn Farmer.
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Death also reg Q1 1902, Harriet Carlisle age 30 in Greenwich district
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George Friend and Elizabeth had a daughter Sarah Ann Friend in 1874, she would have been Fanny's half sister. Have you researched her?
Looks like Sarah Anne died aged 6 just before 1881 census, so she can't be Mrs Jefferies.
George Friend was a widower when he married Elizabeth. Were their any daughters from first marriage or his later marriage to Alice? The term sister might be used loosely and Mrs Jefferies was actually a step sister
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Two possible Farmer / Jefferies marriages
1928 Edith L m Frederick J Jefferies .... probably too late
1890 Ellen m Paul Jefferies
Need to see if I can find them in the census;
no really good corresponding BDN births for Tom Jefferies mmn Farmer though.
Nesta
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possible marriage a little away from expected places
Fred Carlisle dec qtr 1892 Peterbro vol 3b pg 607 with Harriet Farmer on the same page
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There's a Frederick Carlisle (b Orston, Notts) as a lodger in Fletchling in 1891. Harriet Amelia is still in Fletchling in 1891 as a servant. In 1901 Frederick with his wife Harriet (b Sussex, no parish recorded) are in Deptford with 4 children. Only checked one child so far (Lilian Ida b 1900) but mother's maiden name Farmer. So it is a strong possibility that Harriet Amelia has married Frederick or is living with him as his wife. There is a later child registered Frederick Robert Carlisle (Q1 1902) with mmn Farmer.
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Death also reg Q1 1902, Harriet Carlisle age 30 in Greenwich district
That's fantastic thank you
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possible marriage a little away from expected places
Fred Carlisle dec qtr 1892 Peterbro vol 3b pg 607 with Harriet Farmer on the same page
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good find
right names and within expected date range - wonder why Peterborough.
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George Friend and Elizabeth had a daughter Sarah Ann Friend in 1874, she would have been Fanny's half sister. Have you researched her?
Looks like Sarah Anne died aged 6 just before 1881 census, so she can't be Mrs Jefferies.
George Friend was a widower when he married Elizabeth. Were their any daughters from first marriage or his later marriage to Alice? The term sister might be used loosely and Mrs Jefferies was actually a step sister
George Friend had been married to Fanny Wells before Elizabeth Farmer
As far as I am aware George and Fanny had 4 boys before Fanny's death
In George Friend and Alice née Stedman are in Forest Row with
George and Fanny's sons
James aged 17,
George 15,
Jesse 11
And
Charlotte Friend, dau, 4, although Charlotte was actually Alice's illegitimate child and registered as Stedman
And finally Alice and George's son
Frederick H aged 1
No sign of Fanny
But Maybe i should research Charlotte as being Mrs Jefferies
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possible marriage a little away from expected places
Fred Carlisle dec qtr 1892 Peterbro vol 3b pg 607 with Harriet Farmer on the same page
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Not that far away from Orston :)