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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Down => Topic started by: hevside on Sunday 12 November 23 13:26 GMT (UK)
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Hi all
I am wondering if anyone can help me find a birth or baptism record for this lady. She is Agnes Mary MATHERS born about 1892/3.
In 1901 she is living with her grandparents David and Mary McGowan at Ganaway, Carrowdore but is named on the census as Agnes MATHERS. Her mother is living next door with her husband.
In 1911 she is living with her mother Eliza MATHERS and her husband William, also at Ganaway. They have a further 3 children born between 1895 and 1906 and I can find all of their births.
William MATHERS (bachelor) and Elizabeth McGOWAN (spinster) married in Feb 1893 so I am thinking Agnes may not be the child of William Mathers.
I have searched under both surnames and all Agnes babies in Newtownards district and coming up with a blank.
I think Agnes married a Charles Crawford in 1922 and would also love to know if they had any children.
Both families are Presbyterian.
Thanks for any advice you can offer.
Heather
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Irish Genealogy site (vital records is down the last number of days but there is this possiblity-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBFZ-H32 (Agnes McGowan, Apr/June 1895 Newtownards district) GRONI gives mother's maiden name as Reid.
There are, however, other possibilities.
When Irish Genealogy site is back you could also try searching for McGowan birth without a first name.
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I think Agnes married a Charles Crawford in 1922 and would also love to know if they had any children.
Heather
Agnes Mathers marriage to Charles Crawford was on 8.9.1922 registered in Ards. I can see the birth of a son William on 10.6.1923, registered in Newtownards. You can view those 2 certificates on the GRONI website (for a fee).
There may well be later children but those records are not generally viewable on-line (as they are within the past 100 years). You can either go to GRONI or PRONI in person and search there or ring GRONI up and pay them to search for you.
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Thank you both
I chose the wrong weekend to go back to this brick wall! The GRONI site is also unavailable for full searches until tomorrow!
I already have the marriage cert for Agnes and Charles but had not seen any children. I will look into William further. I believe the irishgenealogy site has a message on it saying that 1923 births have now been added so will see when it returns. I must admit I had forgotten the GRONI site so will definitely revisit.
Tomorrow is another day!
Thanks again
Heather
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The GRONI site is also unavailable for full searches until tomorrow!
The GRONI website is working for me.
Forename of child Surname of child Date of birth Sex of child Mother's maiden name Registration district
William Crawford 10th June 1923 Male Mathers
Newtownards
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How weird, I just tried again but went in by a different route and got it.
Many thanks for that, definitely the right child there.
Heather
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I already have the marriage cert for Agnes and Charles but had not seen any children. I will look into William further. I believe the irishgenealogy site has a message on it saying that 1923 births have now been added so will see when it returns. I must admit I had forgotten the GRONI site so will definitely revisit.
The irishgenealogy site does not have any records for what is now Northern Ireland, from 1.1.1922 onwards. Only GRONI holds those later records.
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Thanks, that makes sense. That is the only place to search for Agnes' birth in 1892?
Heather
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Thanks, that makes sense. That is the only place to search for Agnes' birth in 1892?
Heather
No. Pre 1922 certificates are on irishgenealogy as well as GRONI. But since irishgenealogy is free and you have to pay for GRONI I would generally use irishgenealogy for an 1892 birth.
As has been mentioned earlier, some births were registered without a forename so search with “unknown” as the forename or leave the box blank. Also Agnes is a variant of Ann & Nancy so try those too.
One thing GRONI is very good for is finding siblings. Searching their indexes is free. If you know both parents surnames, enter them on the births search facility and leave the child's forename blank. You can only do 5 years at a time but it should throw up all their children (which you then look up on irishgenealogy).
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1911 Census says Lizzie Mathers had 5 children (4 living) which may or may not include Agnes.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Carrowdore/Ganaway/263978/
For reference, here's the 1901 census-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Carrowdore/Ganaway/1254941/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Carrowdore/Ganaway/1254940/
Northern Whig, 15 Sept.1932: MATHERS- September 13, 1932, at his residence, Ganaway, Millisle, William, beloved husband of Elizabeth Mathers. Funeral to Millisle Burying-ground today (Thursday), at 2 p.m.
Northern Whig, 21 June 1932: NELSON- June 20, 1932, at Ganaway, Millisle, Ellen Jane, beloved wife of John Nelson, and daughter of William and Lizzie Mathers. Funeral to Millisle Burying-ground to-morrow (Wednesday) at 2 p.m.
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Do you have any of these ?
Surname(s) Graveyard Civil Parish Graveyard Location County
MATHERS Greyabbey Graveyard Greyabbey Rosemount Down
Gravestone Inscription Erected by Hugh Mathers of Cardy, in memory of his beloved daughter Lizzie, died 26th December 1895 aged 18 years Also his grandson Hugh, died 25th February 1900 aged 4 months Also his daughter Ellen J Mathers, died 15th May 1901 aged 21 years Also his son Samuel Mathers, who died 6th June 1904 aged 29 years Also his mother Susan Mathers, died 21st October 1906 aged 80 years Also the above named Hugh Mathers , who died 24th April 1916 aged 67 years Also his wife Agnes Mathers, who died 17th October 1928 aged 79 years
Surname(s) Graveyard Civil Parish Graveyard Location County
MATHERS, BOOTH, ADAMS Donaghadee CI Donaghadee Donaghadee Down
Gravestone Inscription In loving memory of David Mather who died 2nd March 1890 aged 69 years And Maria BOOTH, interred in Dublin, who died 1st March 1877 aged 54 years Also of Letitia ADAMS, the beloved wife of John Mathers, who died 22nd August 1926 aged 57 years Also of John Mathers who died 14th September 1934 in his 71st year.
Comment [White limestone in a low stone enclosure]
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Surname(s) Graveyard Civil Parish Graveyard Location County
MATHERS Templepatrick Donaghadee Miller Hill Down
Gravestone Inscription Erected by William Mathers, Ganaway, in memory of his son James who died 16th Feb 1901 aged 4 months.
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In loving memory of David Mather who died 2nd March 1890 aged 69 years...
David Mathers died 22 March 1890 aged 69 yrs at New Street, Donaghadee. The informant John Mathers, his son.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1890/06120/4747546.pdf
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Thank you everyone, no closer to finding Agnes birth but have filled in a few dates for the wider family. The reason for this search is tackling a DNA match to this family so now stuck with needing info on those younger than 100 years. The search continues....
Thanks again
Heather