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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Cardiganshire => Topic started by: fyremoon on Friday 10 November 23 12:08 GMT (UK)
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Hi Rootschatters!
With such common names I am struggling to track down correct information about these, my 3xG grandparents, and would love any tips or advice.
Here's what I know:
Avarina Hopkins b. C1813 Llanfihangel, and Lewis Lewis b. c1811 Llanyshiam married 10 Mar 1843 West London.
They had 4 daughters in London:
Mary Ann 1844 - ?
Avarina 1848 - 1851
Jane 1850 - 1889 (my ancestor)
Margaret 1853 - 1905
Avarina and Lewis's birth years and birth places from census records.
From Avarina & Lewis's marriage record I know both their fathers were called David and both Farmers.
I was given a lot of information about who their families were via email years ago, however none of it was verified or had source material, so I'm trying to do my own research, starting with what I can trace myself.
Where do I even start?
Help appreciated!
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I wouldn't call Avarina Hopkins a common name ;D
She is easily found on the 1841 census with mother & siblings
Ref Piece 1374 book 11 folio 7 page 6
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FindMyPast is free this weekend, Avarinas baptism transcript is on there
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I wouldn't call Avarina Hopkins a common name ;D
She is easily found on the 1841 census with mother & siblings
Ref Piece 1374 book 11 folio 7 page 6
Thanks Carole,
Sorry, I meant Hopkins and Lewis being common Welsh names, and trying to track down Avarina's and Lewis's families - David Hopkins and Lewis Lewis seem to be pretty common names in Wales! And not knowing for sure their wives names (the mothers of Avarina and Lewis), it's hard to know if the information I'm coming across pertain to the correct Davids...
Where would I see the 1841 census to which you're referring? Where are they living?
Thanks again
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FindMyPast is free this weekend, Avarinas baptism transcript is on there
Oh what a wonderful thing to know! Thank you :)
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The census that Carole mentioned is there as well
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All censuses are free to search here. You mention in your post that you have their birthplaces from census info?
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list?cqs=england+census
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Thank you both.
I've had a look at both those records now, and the baptism record shows Avarina, daughter of David and Ann Hopkins in 1812, and the 1941 Census record shows Avarina with siblings and widowed mother Mary.
How would I know which, if either, are my ancestor?
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You mention in your post that you have their birthplaces from census info?
Yes, from later Census records - 1871 - in London, where Avarina's and Lewis's birth towns are recorded rather than just 'Wales' or 'South Wales' as in previous census records.
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Thank you both.
I've had a look at both those records now, and the baptism record shows Avarina, daughter of David and Ann Hopkins in 1812, and the 1941 Census record shows Avarina with siblings and widowed mother Mary.
How would I know which, if either, are my ancestor?
There are no relationship indicators on the 1841 census so Avarina could be staying with other family.
You need to check the baptisms for children of David and Ann(e) at Llanfihangel Y Creuddyn around the same time as that of Avarina and try to locate them as well as David & Anne in 1841. There is a possible burial for Anne in 1844 so David is likely to be showing as widowed in 1851.
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Avarina Hopkins is in Middlesex in 1841 aged 25 working as a servant - The other Avarina I found appears to have married John Davies in 1847. With such an unusual christian name there must be some family connection between the 2 entries
Piece 695
Book 3
Folio 28
Page 2
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If her parents were David & Ann they can possibly be found on the 1841
Piece 1374
Book 6
Folio 28
Page 17
A baptism for possible brother John b 1832 shows mother as Anne Jones
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possible baptism for Lewis in Llanychaiarn - which appears to be the place name attempted in 1871 census
3 Dec 1811 Lewis son of David & Mary Lewis of Bryncrwn
map here
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01srt/
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There are no relationship indicators on the 1841 census so Avarina could be staying with other family.
Yes, this is a possible line of enquiry, or as Carole has said, if mine is the Avarina in Middlesex working as a servant (where two years later she marries, so seems more likely), then this Avarina with Mary and others could be a relation - I'll try to follow that trail.
You need to check the baptisms for children of David and Ann(e) at Llanfihangel Y Creuddyn around the same time as that of Avarina and try to locate them as well as David & Anne in 1841.
Ok, so I found a baptism for children of David and Anne Hopkins, Llanfihangel y Creuddyn:
David 1810
Avarina 1812 (believed to be my ancestor)
Anne Hopkins 1815
Elizabeth 1817
Morgan 1820 (also a burial in 1820 :'( )
Jane 1821
Mary 1823
John 1832
No baptism, but a burial record for a Margaret Hopkins in 1842, age 16, in Llanfihangel y Creuddyn
No baptism for Sarah either, but a marriage record to John Loyd in 1848.
I had found a David & Anne in 1841 and their children Mary, Margaret, Sarah and John (Carole also posted this).
There is a possible burial for Anne in 1844 so David is likely to be showing as widowed in 1851.
David is then shown in 1851 as widowed, with young John, and a John and Sarah Loyd with a child, and an Ann Chandler and 4 children (I have found a marriage between an Ann Hopkins and Richard Chandler in 1839).
Sarah and John Loyd are still with David in 1861, with 5 extra children, so I feel they must all be connected with the David and Ann from 1841, the David Hopkins and Anne Jones from Mary's baptism in 1826 John's baptism in 1832...
Is all of the above quite enough to connect Avarina with that David and Ann(e) family?
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Avarina Hopkins is in Middlesex in 1841 aged 25 working as a servant - The other Avarina I found appears to have married John Davies in 1847. With such an unusual christian name there must be some family connection between the 2 entries
Piece 695
Book 3
Folio 28
Page 2
Thanks for this Carole, I think the one in Middlesex is my ancestor, but I will try to follow the other family too, as there may be a connection, thank you for that!
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possible baptism for Lewis in Llanychaiarn - which appears to be the place name attempted in 1871 census
3 Dec 1811 Lewis son of David & Mary Lewis of Bryncrwn
map here
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01srt/
Thanks Osprey, that could be him...?
I will look for David and Mary Lewis, and possible siblings. It's a starting point anyway!
Lewis's baptism seems to be the only one listed in Llanychaiarn - would potential siblings be baptised anywhere else nearby, can someone with local knowledge tell me?
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Llanychaiarn is 1 mile south of Aberystwyth.
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Llanychaiarn is 1 mile south of Aberystwyth.
Thanks :)
A few maybes but nothing concrete so far ???
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it's a pity that the baptism is from 1811 and before the new style registers of 1813 and onwards which should give father's occupation.