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Hi all,
I’m searching for any information about the parents of a Harold (Harry) Hussey
He was apparently raised as Harry Robinson.
His marriage certificate says his parents were John and Lillian but I am unable to find them.
He also signed his name Hussy instead of Hussey
It also says he was born in Toronto Ontario but my family understood that we was born in England and came here when he was a couple years old.
He was born in 1918 and died in 1987
He married Doris lougheed in 1948.
Let me know if you need any more information.
Many thanks
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Did he marry using the name Harry rather than Harold or Henry?
Did he marry & die as Huss(e)y or Robinson
Did he have a second christian name?
Do you have his full birthdate?
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Hi Chalonade,
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Hi Carole, I think Chalonade might have made a typo, I found the marriage at Anc. in 1938 rather than 1948 as Harry HUSSY.
I lose him after that.
Regards,
Daisy
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Yes, sorry he married in 1938 not 48
He married using Harry Hussy
He died a Harry Hussey
No second name that we know of.
Birthdate is March 29 1918
And there are no records as him as Robinson but we were told by family that he was raised as a Robinson by his Aunt and Uncle
Thankyou!
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If his aunt and uncle were called ROBINSON then one can use Freebmd to find a marriage between a male ROBINSON and female HUSSEY. Time would be from around 1890 to 1918.
Quite a few possibles but comparing the places and looking for them in the 1921 census to see which had child age about 3 called Harry living with them should (edit might) find them.
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There is no English birth or marriage matching the info given. Have you looked for him on the Canadian 1921 census in view of what you say about him being born Toronto
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Hey, yes I’ve looked at the 1921 census and that shows what appear to be him, with Thomas as his father and an Elizabeth as his mother.
Sorry I should have shared that info.
What I’m trying to figure out is if those are his real parents and he just changed his name and made up names for his parents on his marriage record
Or if what he wrote on his marriage record is true and his parents are John and Lillian
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I’ve also tried searching for records of marriage of Thomas Robinson and Elizabeth hussey, thinking maybe that is his aunt but wasn’t able to find anything.
I’ve spent countless hours researching and now asking the community here is kind of a last resort.
Thanks so much
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One more thing lol.
There shows a Lillian as a boarder and another Lillian as a sister on the 1921 census which may be a coincidence that he put Lillian as his mother on the marriage record?
Also it makes sense that that census would be him because it is in Toronto and he says on the marriage record he was born in Ontario.
The strange thing is all his nieces and nephews (my aunt and Uncles) swear he came over from England at few years old and was adopted as a Robinson. I’m just stuck trying to find anything on his real parents (Hussey or Hussy)
No boat records or anything
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There shows a Lillian as a boarder
When was she born - might she be his mother?
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A family tree with a photograph has him as Harold Robert aka Harry
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You need to ensure that all info from the 1921 census is given
Is this the same Thomas & Elizabeth in 1911 as you found in 1921
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:276X-VQQ
If not - you say the 1921 shows his parents as Thomas & Elizabeth so when & where were each born?
Does it show him as Harry & is his birthplace shown as Ontario/Toronto or elsewhere
How old is he?
His marriage cert says his parents were John & Lilian Hussey/Hussy??
The older Lilian - when & where was she born? Is her surname also Hussy/Hussey
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The family tree that shows him as Harry Robert Hussey is the one I started, the middle name is incorrect. For some reason I thought my mom told me his middle name was Robert but she did not.
I have to correct that.
The boarder in the 1921 census is 21 at the time and Harold is 3, so the ages are right for it to be his mother but Lillian’s last name says brown.
Here’s all the info of the 1921 census
Harold M Robinson 30
Thomas Brown 25
Elizabeth Robinson 25
Lillian Brown 21
Harold Robinson 3
Lillian Robinson 1
Thomas Brown 1/12
Name Harold Robinson
Gender Male
Racial or Tribal Origin English
Nationality Canada
Marital Status Single
Age 3
Birth Year abt 1918
Birth Place Ontario
Residence Date 1 Jun 1921
House Number 135
Residence Street or Township 167 Soranren Ave
Residence City, Town or Village Parkdale Toronto
Residence District Parkdale
Residence Province or Territory Ontario
Residence Country Canada
Relation to Head of House Son
Father's Name Harold M Robinson
Father Birth Place England
Mother's Name Elizabeth Robinson
Mother Birth Place Ontario
Can Speak English? Yes
Can Speak French? No
Other Language none
Religion Church Of England
Can Read? No
Can Write? No
Municipality Toronto
Enumeration District 113
Sub-District Toronto (City)
Sub-District Number 12
Enumerator Chester E Shirlock
District Description Polling Subdivision no. 31 - Comprising Macdonell Avenue, west side, from Garden to Fern Avenue, Sorauren Avenue, east side, from Garden to Fern Avenue, Garden Avenue, both sides, from Macdonell to Sorauren Avenue, Fern Avenue, both sides, from Macdonell to Sorauren Avenue
The census from 1911 you found is not the same person I think.
The marriage certificate does not have a last name for his parents
Thanks guys!
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Actually, O just looked at the marriage record again and it does say Hussy as the last name of his parents
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It would have been helpful to have had the 1921 details at the outset. So "parents" on the 1921 were Robinson not Hussey ::) & Lilian was Brown - not Robinson or Hussey?
How have you linked that census entry to Harry Hussey?
Have you looked for a Harold M Robinson marriage to "Elizabeth" in Canada to establish her maiden name
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The only way I linked that census was because of the age and place.
My family is 100% sure that he grew up a Robinson and that’s how I’ve come to the conclusion that that is possible the correct census but I could be wrong
And I’ve looked for the marriage to establish her middle name with no luck
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Ok so I did find the marriage certificate before, the one I think is right.
Here is the info showing craven as maiden name
Name Harold Marsh Robinson
Age 22
Birth Date abt 1891
Birth Place Walsak Staffordshire England
[Walsall, Staffordshire, England]
Marriage Date 20 Aug 1913
Marriage Place York, Ontario, Canada
Father
Wm Robinson
Mother
Hanna Elizabeth Marsh Robinson
Spouse
Elizabeth Gladys Caven
So it’s entirely possible that the 1921 census is not correct it’s just the closest info I could find
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Just want to add that the Lilian Brown who is showing with the Robinson family in 1921, I think is likely Elizabeth Glady's sister. Lillian Rose Caven married Thomas Archibald Brown in 1920 in Toronto. This is the 1901 census entry for the Caven family which includes both Elizabeth and Lilian in the entry www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KHGX-WV4
Same parents showing on both marriage registrations for the Caven girls.
Monica
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The original image of 1931 for the Robinson family also includes Hannah Caven, mother to Elizabeth.
One odd thing is that Harold and Elizabeth apparently a daughter Margaret born in 1923. No record of her in the 1931 census entry, only sons Harold,13 and Walter, 4, show then.
www.findagrave.com/memorial/144734428/margaret-h-brangham Only sons Harold,13 and Walter, 4, show in that entry.
I am not sure about this Robinson family and how it connects to Harry Hussey. Is there no more within the family stories that suggest a link that could help you? Do you know why the family belives that he was brought up as a Robinson? In many cases where a child is brought up by an adoptive family from so young, it is all they know and are happy to go by the adoptive family's surname. Why would he in later years have chosen to revert to Hussey I wonder.
Monica
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I’m not sure why he would revert to hussy and then his children and my mom go by Hussey.
We just found a bible my mom had that was passed down and it says “presented to Beatrice Hussey by grandmother Christmas 1955”
and there’s a section that says Deaths
And lists these
-mom Bell July 9 ‘75
- GFO (hard to read maybe say GEO?) bell Dec 14 ‘59
GPA lougheed March 45 ‘29
GMA Lougheed April ‘12
GMA ROBINSON June ‘12
Bob Case sept 25 ‘59
Ok so his wife was lougheed and his daughter is Beatrice hussey
We don’t know where Bell comes from or who Bob case is
And I just talked to my grandma now and she is certain Harold’s mom was his aunt who he was raised by were sisters.
So his aunt would be a hussey who married a Robinson. So maybe that census we are going by is completely wrong.
Like I said I’ve been researching this forever and it just gets confusing and dead ends lol
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Sorry meant to say my grandma is certain Harry’s mom and* his aunt were sisters
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At marriage, were there witnesses names listed? Perhaps a Robinson?
Was an address given for Harry?
Are both his parents listed as "Hussy" (no maiden name for his mum?) - not unusual for this situation for his information to be a bit confused, as he may not have been told the full story.
"Hussey" might have come from his mum's side but could also be the name of his biological father.
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Here is the link for the marriage cert, not sure if it will work
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/7921/images/7921_263021009500_2517-00248?backurl=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.ancestry.com%252Ffamily-tree%252Fperson%252Ftree%252F190847784%252Fperson%252F142482333373%252Ffacts&pid=24714383
The witnesses were a Fred Ursday Jr and
Ida Bowles
Yes both listed as Hussy, no maiden name
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No, I am not an Ancestry member so it won't work.
You are allowed to post parts of images for the purpose of deciphering writing (for example, Ursday doesn't seem to be a common name so this might be a mistranscription by Ancestry).
At any rate it's interesting that the witnesses don't seem to be obviously linked to either side of the family.
I think "Bob Case" mentioned in the family bible could be this man who married into Doris' family, or perhaps his son (so an uncle or cousin).
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKMR-6CCK
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Just had a quick look at the marriage certificate and I think the witness was Fred WISDOM Jnr.
Chris
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Yes Bob case married into the family I just found out
And you’re right it looks like it could be Fred wisdom jr
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-mom Bell July 9 ‘75
- GFO (hard to read maybe say GEO?) bell Dec 14 ‘59
GPA lougheed March 45 ‘29
GMA Lougheed April ‘12
GMA ROBINSON June ‘12
Bob Case sept 25 ‘59
Do you know who wrote these entries? Harry or one of his children?
-mom Bell July 9 ‘75....is this a reference to Harry's mum?
GMA ROBINSON June ‘12...this reads as if it is a ref to (adoptive family) grandmother to Harry given the year of 1912 and Harry being born in 1918?
Are there any other biographical details in this family bible? Births or marriage dates that could help further?
Monica
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There is an interesting 1931 Canada census entry...
William J Robinson 54 born England
Lilian Robinson 43 wife born England
Harry Robinson 14 son born Ontario
Family living in Wallace Avenue, Hamilton, Ontario.
Might be worth a look
Chris
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There is an interesting 1931 Canada census entry...
William J Robinson 54 born England
Lilian Robinson 43 wife born England
Harry Robinson 14 son born Ontario
Family living in Wallace Avenue, Hamilton, Ontario.
Might be worth a look
Chris
Had a further look and found the family on 1921 Canada census. Interestingly Harry Robinson isn't with them. Maybe not the right family though. It's William James Robinson and it looks like Lilian's maiden name is Crockett.
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Hey guys,
Yes that 1921 and 31 census seems interesting, odd that her maiden name is Crockett.
But him not being listed in the 21 census and then being on the 31 seems to go with the story that he was taken in as a young boy by his aunt and uncle.
Harry had 3 kids and there middle names were John, Lillian and William
So maybe that is the William he picked the middle name from?