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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: Sonia Gardener on Saturday 21 October 23 11:22 BST (UK)
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Good morning all
Following on from my previous post about this family & the very helpful information provided I am unfortunately still not able to pinpoint them as to parents or where in Scotland they came from.
The marriage of Mary Murray to John Busby gives her addreaa as Windmill Street in St James Piccadilly Westminster 15th August 1841 as does Ann Murray in 1838.
Mary Murray (Busby) unhelpfully only gives birthplace Scotland about 1819 through the census.
I am unable to see the marriage of Ann (my ancestry subscription is basic) but I think it might be to a Charles Williams. However if that is correct I cannot find then in Census.
I was also given the information of Thomas Murray marrying Charlotte Cairns 17 July 1836. I found them in 1841. Thomas born 1816 Scotland but no sign of the in 1851.
I was hoping to find Ann Murray in 1841 at Windmill Street or any Murray family there but no luck.
I would appreciate any further help to with this brick wall.
Many thanks
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FindMyPast transcription
Ann Murray to Charles Williams 7 May 1838 Westminster both of full age.
Her father John Murray
His father Llewellyn
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thank you so much - I can rule Ann out as a sister then as I am looking for father James Murray a carpenter, father of my William & father of Mary to John Busby. Having said that Ann could be related as she also gives Windmill Street as address.
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Found the image on ancestry
Charles is of 10 Windmill Street his father Llewllyn is a Farmer
Ann is of 14 Windmill Street her father John is a Bootmaker
Witness Bridget Shea and John Murray
Witnesses could write, Charles and Ann made their mark.
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Witnesses at the Mary Murray to John Busby are Thomas Murray (brother) and Ann Murray a cousin perhaps as they are all on Windmill Street
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Thomas and Charlotte had the following children Ref: GRO Index
Mary Christian 1839 reg. Strand Union mother's maiden name Cairns
Margaret Peper? 1841 reg Strand Union
Charlotte Matilda Barbara 1845 reg Saint Pancras
So at this point they are still alive having moved to Saint Pancras.
There is Charlotte Matilda Murray who marries Thomas William Whalebone 19 March 1865 , St George the Martyr, Queen Square, Camden
Her father Thomas is a Compositor?
His father also Thomas William is a China painter and Gilder
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Ann wouldn't be a MURRAY in 1841 if she married in 1838.
There are a lot of differences between the signature of the Thomas who married Charlotte CAIRNS and the Thomas who witnessed Mary's marriage.
Debra :)
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True about Ann.
Thomas and Charlotte are still alive 15 December 1845 when her (sister?) Barbara Cairns (who is living with them 1841) marries Edward Robinson at St James Westminster. They are the witnesses.
Barbara's father John Cairns - Tailor
Edward's father Benjamin deceased.
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thank you again for all the info food for thought & perhaps clues to follow. Thomas & Charlotte seem to disappear after 1841 as I've had a look at 1851 - no sign of them. One step forward two back!!
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Have you tried working from a different direction?
1841 census
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a142004f4040b9d6e0975bd/james-murray-1841-ayrshire-kilwinning-1781-?locale=en