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John Stock was a paper-maker in Bristol from around 1744 until around 1771 and although I have details of his marriage and a fair bit of information on his sons John Edmonds Stock and Thomas Stock, I am having a great deal of trouble tracing his family backwards. So far I have discovered, via Gwent Archives' online catalogue, that he was the son of Mary, sister of Henry Edmonds, gent, of Cwmcarvan, Monmouthshire, and that his father may possibly be one Thomas Stock of Coleford, Gloucester, surgeon, but I cannot find either a marriage to confirm this, or any other information about the family at all! There is also a possibility that John may be related in some way to the Robert Stock who married in Bristol in 1729. All help gratefully received.
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Does not help your quest but there is this death. No age given, index only
1772 Oct 16 EDMONDS Henry - Burial Cwmcarvan
Cwmcarvan Burials 1728-1774
Welsh - Cwmcarfan Dedication - St Clement
Memoranda (in the source) Mr Henry Edmonds
Gwent record office register ref. number LDS/PA 85
Cas
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At this stage, Cas, any snippet of information is useful - I found a precis of Henry's Will in Gwent Archives, but had no death date for him, so thank you for that.
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There is an administration for Thomas Stock, late of Coleford, Surgeon who died intestate, granted to Mary Stock, his widow. It's dated 1735 and you can access it via the wills on Ancestry.
Possible baptism
Newland 21 April 1719 John, son of Thomas & Mary Stock of Coleford
also Elizabeth bp 23 Nov 1721
burial
Newland 8 Feb 1735 Thomas Stock of Coleford
Transcribed from Latin entries on the Forest of Dean site
https://forest-of-dean.net/joomla/
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQPF-546
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Currently researching Robert Stock sugar refiner of Bristol. It was he who married at St Augustine's 15 May 1729. He was buried 25 June 1756; his wife Hannah (nee Noble) buried 31 August 1763 - both at Broadmead Baptist.
A Bristol Archives unpublished essay regarding his sugarhouse suggests he was the son of William Stock brazier, but I have nothing more on that yet.
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Just adding in case of relevance with info given by Osprey. No age given, index only
1755 Nov 7 STOCK Mary - Burial Cwmcarvan St Clement
Cwmcarvan Burials 1728-1774
Gwent record office
register ref. number LDS/PA 85
To note: Edmonds families living Cwmcarvan 1700s - addresses include Bayly Glasse/Bayly Glace & Treely - if you come across in your research of area.
Cas
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Another Cwmcarvan burial
28 Dec 1772 John Edmonds
Baptism?
Cwmcarvan 20 July 1702
John, the son of John Edmunds of Bailey Glas & Alice his wife
Marriage Cwmcarvan 19 June 1699 John Edmunds of Bayley Glace & Alice Paske
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Thank you so much for your contributions, everyone. You've finally given me something solid to go on, as I've been going round in circles until now. Osprey, I don't have a sub to Ancestry to view Thomas's admon, unfortunately, but now that I know what I'm looking for, I might be able to unearth details elsewhere. John's baptism comes just a few months before a bond dated 16 December 1719, made between John Edmonds, junior and senior, and Thomas Stock of Coleford, so Thomas's marriage to Mary Edmonds must have taken place a year or two prior. The bond also mentions Thomas's father Stephen, which is helpful, though no occupation is mentioned in his case.
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Thomas's father "Stephen Stock of Colford (sic), chirurgeon," was a Protestant as he was one of those men who took the Oaths and Allegiances to King George in Gloucester, in January 1715. This may explain the difficulties in finding records for this family. Stephen also seems to have been involved in an adultery case in 1718/19.
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sorry, I don't understand your comment about being a Protestant. Parish records are those of the Protestant church which is the established church in England.
https://study.com/learn/lesson/church-of-england-history-beliefs.html
From the Forest of Dean site again
baptisms Newland
18 Dec 1694 Thomas son of Stephen & Mary Stock of Coleford
23 March 1691 Mary daughter of Stephen & Mary Stock of Coleford
possible birth (not baptism)
Aston Ingham 10 Oct 1660 Stephen son of Charles & Elizabeth Stock (the officiating minister Chris S. Stock)
marriage Westbury on Severn 16 April 1686 Stephen Stock & Mary Smith both otp
burial Mitcheldean 10 Feb 1733 Stephen Stock
Other baptisms recorded at Aston Ingham to Charles & Elizabeth
Thomas born 20 Nov 1656 bp 4 Dec 1656
Christopher born 20 Jan 1658/9 bp 4 Feb 1658/9
Burial 20 Aug 1694 Christopher Stock, rector
Baptisms to Thomas Stock, rector, & Bridget
Charles 6 Aug 1700
Mary 27 Aug 1702
same date burial Bridget Stock, wife of Thomas
burial 27 Feb 1704 Christopher son of Thomas Stock - he was baptised 9 Oct 1688 Harescombe
burial 20 Sept 1724 Thomas Stock, rector
Likely baptism for Charles, father of Stephen
Bromsberrow 5 Sept 1630 Charles son of Christopher Stock, rector, & Elizabeth
and same parish 21 Jan 1655 Charles, son of Charles Stock
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Apologies for the late reply - I've had busier week than expected.
Osprey, you must think I'm a complete idiot! I shouldn't post when I'm cold, tired and not firing on all cylinders. What I was trying to explain (very, very badly!) was that Stephen appeared on the Oath Roll in a particular group of men identified as Protestant Dissenters of some form or another. Quite a few of the Stocks I've followed up became non-conformists of one kind or another, and so baptism records are either difficult to find, or not available for their children if they were of the Strict Baptist persuasion.
At any rate, thank you very much for all your hard work in unearthing all those records for me. I'm hoping that I'll get a chance to take things further with Stephen and co. over the next few days, as I'm currently juggling several research balls. I was only able to do a brief bit of exploring using your findings as a starting point but have discovered there is a wealth of information on the Stocks of Bromsberrow.
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they look to be a well-connected family with some men of the church.
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Yes, they do! They obviously took their religion seriously whichever route they chose to follow. I've just discovered that Rev. Christopher Stock's father, John, who was Rector before him in Bromsberrow, apparently stepped down from his post having changed religion in mid-stream, and became preacher for the non-conformist community there. Now that I didn't expect!