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I am hoping to find a way (or group) to either confirm or question whether I have found enough proof that my 3rd. great grandfather's parents are who I think they are.
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You don't give any information to work with here Cindy.
Who is the last person that you have actual evidence for, and what are you trying to prove?
I was always told there should be three pieces of evidence on which to base a proof - primary sources if at all possible, (Birth, marriage, death certificates or entries; Census entries; wills; family bibles, etc).
The Genealogical Proof Standard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogical_Proof_Standard
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I have so much information and attachments but nothing is 100% proof. I have a baptism record for Wm. Peters (3rd. g-grandfather) born to Henry and Mary Peters in England at the right time.
I have the marriage record for Wm. Peters of Weldford, Kent Co. married to Mary Matilda Lawrence of Richibucto, Kent Co., New Brunswick, the same Weldford that the above mentioned Henry and Mary settled in Kent Co,. John Kinread was a witness at William's wedding, John Kinread is the husband of Henry and Mary's daughter Ann who also lives in Weldford. The second witness at William's wedding was Henry Peters.
I have William's land petitioning for land in Weldford. No other Peter's families in the area, there is a Peter's family in New Bandon, NB but they are Irish and Roman Catholic. Another Peter's family in Fredericton but they are African American, one in Charlotte but immigrated long before my William was born, he was born in England on every census (1851, 1871, 1881, 1891).
Religion is sometimes consistant.
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Barring DNA (in some cases), there is no such thing as 100% proof.
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I am fourth to sixth cousin to ancestry members with this Peter's family on their tree
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I guess this is a circumstantial case, and the first time I can't find anything to prove it.
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Still no dates or places on which to search Cindy. It's tricky when we have no idea about what years to look around. It's always better to give as much detailed information as possible, otherwise it's impossible to start searching anything.
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'I have a baptism record for Wm. Peters (3rd. g-grandfather) born to Henry and Mary Peters in England at the right time.'
What date is this, and where in England?
Have you done any research into this family in England?
Does the William Peters you've found appear in following records in a marriage or burial in the area?
If you find him in subsequent records. then he obviously can't be the one who emigrated.
If there's no sign of him, its POSSIBLE it could be him. Of course he could just have moved to another part of England, so it doesn't prove it is him, but if you do find him, that's that avenue cut off.
Do you know if the Henry Peters, the possible father, had any brothers and sisters?
Have you traced him on the UK Censuses? If so, you will know his parents' names.
Have you looked for a will for Henry's father?, or Henry's father's brothers and sisters?
They might just mention members of the family who have emigrated.
What about William's brothers and sisters?
Did any of them remain in the uk?
If so when did they die, and did they leave any wills?
Again you don't give this information in your post, but what year did they emigrate?
It sounds as though Henry was the first of the family to do so.
Have you searched for the death of the possible Henry's father, and for an obituary in the local newspapers? Again, family members might be mentioned.
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According to some trees on Ancestry, it appears that
William Peters was born c1819, England. His parents supposedly were Henry Peters and Mary Standing. He supposedly died in 1892 in Hammond County, New Brunswick, Canada. (I did not see any sources for the above details but perhaps I didn’t spend enough time looking.)
Cindysw, do you know in which Canadian cemetery Peters family members were buried? If so, have you contacted the cemetery office to inquire about details for William? All I knew about my Mumford ancestor’s birth was that he was born in England c1826 (no records gave his exact place of birth, nor even the English county). The staff at his (Ontario, Canada) cemetery kindly checked their records and provided the town name.
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I tried to shrink the link, with no success.
Found on FindAGrave is
Saint Paul's Anglican Church Cemetery
Londonderry, Kings County, New Brunswick, Canada
Mary M Peters, died 1899 [Wife of William]
Richard Peters, 1855 - 1930
W Melbourne Peters, died 1909
William Peters, died June 1895
The years of birth are a bit off for Mary and William (ages at death are included on the headstone) but perhaps these are your William and Mary Matilda and their son, Richard?
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You most likely know the following, but he was not shown after 1861 in trees that I viewed when looking for William…
George Judson Peters, born 1847, can be found on the (New Brunswick) 1871, 1881 and 1891 census returns.
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Found on Ancestry…New Brunswick deaths
Mary Matilda Peters died March 21, 1899. Age 94. ??? Residence: Hammond. Church of England.
I’ve not yet found William Peters.
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I am hoping to find a way (or group) to either confirm or question whether I have found enough proof that my 3rd. great grandfather's parents are who I think they are.
I am wondering what you consider to be 'proof'. If you mean genuine scientific (i.e. unarguable) proof, I humbly suggest that is a hopeless aim. If you mean merely acceptable to yourself, only you can judge that. Nearly all historic records show information given voluntarily by informants, which occasionally was 'massaged' for various reasons, and possibly misrecorded by the hearer. The best you can hope for is that everything is consistent and confirmed by other sources.
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Previous post on William Peters
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=873886.
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So William Peters may have been the son of Henry Peters and Mary nee Standing according to some Ancestry trees. Well Standing/Standen is a predominantly Sussex surname. A Henry Peters wed Mary Standing in 1803 in Folkestone, Kent.
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William Peters baptized in 1819 in Elham, Kent, England of Henry and Mary (Standin) Peters.
1851 census for Kings & Sydney Ward, St John, St John Co, NB, Canada William was born in England is 40 yrs. old, Matilda is 35 and born in NS, Canada, George Judson is 4 yrs born NB and Margaret (2nd. g-grandmother) is 2 born NB. Every other census record 1871,1881,1891 all state that he was born in England.
Henry & Mary (Standin) Peters immigrated between Jun 1829 and 1830 to Richibucto, Kent Co, NB, Canada according to census records for Richibucto and Weldford, with all but two of their children. They received a land grant in Weldford (just outside of Richibucto). The same place my William petitioned for land.
William & Matilda went from Weldford where their son George Judson was born in 1846, to St John in 1851 census working as a milkman, then to Hammond (as a farmer) where he died. His obit and tombstone is of no help.
I have been using other ancestry members trees until I can connect my William Peters to Henry and Mary (Standin) Peters.
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I know all about William (Weldford) & Matilda (Richibucto) from their marriage in 1845 in Richibucto, Kent Co., NB to their deaths in Hammond. I have found and proven all their children and their children to my generation.
I can't find a way to connect my William to Henry & Mary (Standin) Peters of Folkestone, Kent, England and Weldford, Kent, NB.
I cannot find a record that has William's birth any more specific than England, I can place him with the Henry & Mary (Standin) Peters in Weldford, as witnesses at his wedding. I can't find another William that could be their son William baptized in 1819 in Elham, Kent, England.
William and Matilda were buried at the Londonderry St Paul's Anglican Church Cemetery on the Shepody Road in Kings County, New Brunswick. Their tombstone does not give their place of birth.
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Henry (1780-) & Mary Standin Peter's were the first to immigrate in abt. 1830, with 7 of their 9 children. Henry (1780-) and his son Henry (1803-) are in the 1861 census for Richibucto, Kent Co, NB page 28.
HENRY'S (1780-1867 born Folkestone, Kent on tombstone) and MARY STANDIN PETERS children listed on his obit, buried Richibucto
Henry (1803-1879)
John (1806-1842) deceased before his father's death
Sarah Ann (Peters) Warman (1812-1885)
Charles (1815-1850) deceased before his father's death
Ann (Peters) Kinread (1817-1895)
Stephen (1822-1900)
Rachel (Peters) Atkinson (1825-1900)
His obit includes his deceased sons but does not include his daughters in England or his son William baptized in 1820 Elham, Kent, England.
Mary (Peters) Fordred (1808-1887) married 1831 in Kent, England, died England
Benedicta (Peters) Read (1810-1888) married 1829 in Kent, England, died England
WILLIAM PETERS (1819-1895) either immigrated with family @ abt. 11 years in 1830 or died.
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Or he is the William Peters that married Mary Matilda Lawrence in 1845 in Richibucto, with Henry Peters & John KINREAD as witnesses, petitioned for land in Weldford, NB in 1847 (same place Henry Peters was granted land), baptized his first child GEORGE JUDSON in Weldford in 1847, then is in the St John 1851 census with wife Mary, son GEORGE JUDSON 4 yrs. old, and Margaret 2 yrs.
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When I have issues that can't be resolved by documentary research, and also to seek further corroboration when I believe that I do have the documentary evidence, I create family trees based around the individuals concerned, and widen them as far as I can to include their siblings, their own and their siblings marriages, their offspring, etc. etc., bringing the trees as far forward to the present day as I can. You also need to include your proposed line of descent between the individual and yourself in the tree. I then upload those trees to Ancestry and other sites, and transfer my DNA test to them temporarily from my main tree, then sit back and wait a few days for the Thrulines for the new tree to populate, if it finds any matches at all.
Any matches between you and descendants of the target individual's descendants is a likely corroboration of their relationship to you. Of course, the absence of any matches does not confirm that there is no relationship, it may just be that no descendants have tested their DNA, but a positive result can help enormously.
I always run these as separate trees for investigative purposes so as not to clutter up my main tree with what might turn out to be irrelevant information. If I get a result, I can then transfer the relevant line that proves the link into my main tree. The tree has to be as wide and as inclusive as possible to maximise the inclusion of present day descendants, or at least their most recent ancestors, and hence the possibility of finding a match to one or more of them that links back via Thrulines.
Don't take Thrulines suggestions as gospel. They may or may not be correct and always need checking for accuracy and consistency, but if you've already got much of that information in a tree that you have researched yourself, you're more than halfway to corroborating any results that come up.
You can then transfer your DNA test back to your main tree at any time, but it has to be linked to the research tree for any DNA matching and Thrulines processing against that tree to occur on Ancestry's side, and your DNA test can only be linked to one tree at a time.