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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: aidansrest on Friday 13 October 23 14:05 BST (UK)
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Hi
I'm looking for the identity of Mary Ann Brown, born in Sunderland (possibly Monkwearmouth) around 1836.
She married John Cursiter Flett in St Peters, Monkwearmouth on the 13th August 1857.
I do not have a copy of the marriage but I do have a transcription which names her father as being Thomas Brown and gives her age as 21 years.
But this is all the information I have.
I believe she may have been the daughter of Thomas Brown and his wife, Isabella (cannot find their marriage), being baptised in Monkwearmouth on the 12th October 1835.
But, again, no real info, nor can I find her with any certainty on the 1841 and 1851 census.
Thomas and Isabella had several children, including a son, John Mitcalf, baptised on the 26th August 1838.
Mary Ann and John Flett had a son, Andrew Metcalf - wondering if there is a connection??
Sue
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Possible marriage
Thomas Brown
Marriage Date 25 Jun 1835
Marriage Place Bishop-Wearmouth, Durham, England
Spouse Isabella Metcalf
FHL Film Number 1514547
Reference ID item 3 p 244
Cas
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Wow - that's fabulous, could confirm what I have found - fingers crossed!
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Baptism at Monkwearmouth 1 Nov 1835 Mary Ann BROWN daur Thomas and Isabella
Edit
Born 12 Oct abode Shore? occupation Mariner I think
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Thats the one I found. But trying to find her and her family prior to her marriage is impossible (for me anyway!).
Sue
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Looking at this possible family
1851 Monkwearmouth Shore, Heddworth Street
Piece 2398, Folio 390, Page number 52
All born Durham
Isabella Brown 34 Wife mar
William Brown 13 Son
John Brown 12 Son
Isabella Brown 10 Daughter
Sarah Brown 4 Daughter
Joseph Brown 1 Son
1861 Monkwearmouth Shore
Isabella Brown 44 Head mar - mariners wife husband at sea - b Monkwearmouth
Sarah Brown 14 Daughter Hartlepool
Joseph Brown 11 Son Hartlepool
BROWN, JOSEPH NICHOLSON mmn METCALF
GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in STOCKTON AND SEDGEFIELD Volume 24 Page 305
BROWN, SARAH mmn METCALF
GRO Reference: 1846 D Quarter in STOCKTON AND SEDGEFIELD Volume 24 Page 231
BROWN, ISABELLA mmn METCALF
GRO Reference: 1840 S Quarter in STOCKTON AND SEDGEFIELD Volume 24 Page 208
Cas
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1891 Monk Wearmouth Shore
Joseph N Brown 41 Head Hartlepool Shipwright
Mary Brown 42 Wife
John T Brown 15 Son
Septimus Brown 6 Son
Isabella Brown 75 wid G mother Sunderland, Durham
1871/1881 Isabella is same area with married daughter Isabella Davison & family
Possible
Marriages Dec Q 1861 (same page)
Brown Isabella Sunderland 10a 560
Davison John Sunderland 10a 560
Cas
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1841 Hartlepool - Registration district Stockton and Sedgefield
All in county
Isabella Brown 25
William Brown 5
John Brown 3
Thomas Brown10 Mo
Isabella Brown 10 Mo
BROWN, THOMAS mmn METCALF
GRO Reference: 1839 M Quarter in SUNDERLAND UNION Volume 24
Baptism https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J7FG-HLR
Possible Death - BROWN, THOMAS age 3
GRO Reference: 1844 M Quarter in STOCKTON AND SEDGEFIELD Volume 24 Page 139
No Mary Ann :( although family would fit for area of her baptism, and father occ.
Cas
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Baptism of mother Isabella... OP mentioned Mary Ann called her son Andrew Mitcalf
Name Isabella Mitcalf
Baptism Date 12 Jul 1816
Baptism Place St. Peter's, Monk-Wearmouth, Durham, England
Father Andrew Mitcalf
Mother Mary Nicholson
FHL Film Number 1514563
Reference ID item 8 p 102
There is also a Jane 1814 same parents as above
Cas
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Mary Ann must belong to this family
Probate for John was to Joseph Brown, Shipwright see reply #6
Name John Flett
Death Date 19 Apr 1903
Death Place Durham, England
Probate Date 25 Jul 1903
Probate Registry Durham
Cas
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Possibles for Mary Ann?
1841, Hartlepool
Church Street
Mary Metcalf 45 Ind
Jane Metcalf 15
Dorothy Metcalf 15
Sarah Metcalf 11
Mary Brown 5
All born county.
1851, Hartlepool
Northgate Street
Mary Ann Brown Serv U 15 House Servant Durham Sunderland
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Possibles for Mary Ann?
1841, Hartlepool
Church Street
Mary Metcalf 45 Ind
Jane Metcalf 15
Dorothy Metcalf 15
Sarah Metcalf 11
Mary Brown 5
All born county.
1851, Hartlepool
Northgate Street
Mary Ann Brown Serv U 15 House Servant Durham Sunderland
I think you found her Jon :)
Was just looking at the Metcalfe family, Isabella had a few siblings. Quite a few family names
Cas
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Hartlepool was a big help, Cas!
Well done for finding all that, great work.
Jon
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Think 1841 above with Mary Brown is maybe possible mother and siblings of Isabelle b1816?
There are some baptisms with same named parents. Number of online trees for the Metcalf/Mitcalf family.
Cas
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Can I just send a tremendous thanks to you all for taking and interest and finding out so much for me!
I'm off to my Local Studies Library on Monday to get Mary Ann's marriage from the parish reel. Will let you know what it reveals, but I'm 100% certain you have found her parents!
Many, many thanks
Sue
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Hi aidansrest
Mary Ann Brown was my 1st Cousin 4xremoved. She was born in Bishopwearmouth on the 13th of March 1835 and baptised at St Michael & All Angels Parish Church, Bishopwearmouth, on the 28th of March 1838. Her parents were Thomas Brown & Mary (Unknown). She was the last of their five children.
She married John Cursiter Flett in St Peter's Parish Church, Monkwearmouth, on the 13th of August 1857.
I have plenty more info if you are interested.
Douglas Brown
Queensland, Australia
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Hi aidansrest
Mary Ann Brown was my 1st Cousin 4xremoved. She was born in Bishopwearmouth on the 13th of March 1835 and baptised at St Michael & All Angels Parish Church, Bishopwearmouth, on the 28th of March 1838. Her parents were Thomas Brown & Mary (Unknown). She was the last of their five children.
This is that family in 1841 at Ayres Quay, same abode and occupation as the baptism you mention
Thomas Brown 40 occ Bottle Maker
Mary Brown 40
Jane Brown 15
Margaret Brown 10
Elizabeth Brown 5
Mary Brown 5
all born in county
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Yes, that's correct.
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What was the occupation of the Thomas Brown (father of Mary Ann) on the record of her marriage to John Flett?
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I'm convinced that she was the daughter of Thomas Brown and Isabella Metcalf, being born on the 12th October 1835.
Isabella's father was Andrew Metcalf, and Mary Ann named one of her sons, Andrew Metcalf Brown - too much of a co-incidence.
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Did you get the marriage certificate for Mary Ann to confirm Thomas's occupation.
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I would agree with you about having the right marriage Sue ;D. Perhaps skinniedipper has evidence that proves otherwise. :)
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I did see it...from the reels in my local library...I believe that he may have been a mariner. Not 100% though
Sue
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Mary Ann's father Thomas was a glass maker, the same as his father William Brown (born abt 1773 in Monkwearmouth).
William Brown married Margaret Little (born abt 1771 in Stanhope) on the 2nd of August 1794 at St Thomas the Apostle Parish Church, Stanhope.
They had ten children of which Thomas was the fourth.
Thomas and his wife Mary had five children of which Mary Ann was the last.
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Mary Ann's father Thomas was a glass maker,
Does this information come from the marriage record between Mary Ann Brown and John Flett?
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No, it comes from the 1841, 1851 & 1861 Census entries for Thomas Brown & his family. Mary Ann was included in those for 1841 & 1851. She married John Cursiter Flett in 1857.
In 1841 the family was in Ayres Quay, Bishopwearmouth. Thomas was a bottle manufacturer.
In 1851 they were in Hill Field, Bishopwearmouth. Thomas was a glass maker.
In 1861 they were in Back Harrison Street, Bishopwearmouth. Thomas was a glass bottle maker.
If you also look in the England Select Marriages database on Ancestry you'll find that her father was recorded as Thomas Brown.
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There are two Mary Ann Brown's born in the same area at around the same time, with Thomas as their father.
The only way that you can be sure that the Mary Ann Brown d/o Thomas the bottle maker was the one who married John Flett and NOT Mary Ann Brown d/o Thomas the mariner, is to check the occupation of the Thomas Brown who appears as Mary Ann's father on her marriage record.
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Would also be interesting to see addresses and witnesses to marriage as well as fathers occ.
Probate for John Flett in 1903 names Joseph Brown, Shipwright & Thomas Flett. Maybe interesting to find if there is a will and any family details.
Joseph N Brown (shipwright) reply #6 died 1925, so could very well be the one named on probate in 1903.
Cas
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Joseph Brown was Mary Ann's brother, also a son of Thomas Brown and Isabella Metcalf.
This is one of the ways I confirmed her identity!
Sue
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Hi folks!
Hopefully this will put Mary Ann Brown's paternity to bed once and for all!!
I have got copy of marriage to John Flett and her father was Thomas Brown, a mariner. As I said previously.
I have a photo should there be any doubt.
I have researched her family extensively and have more information should anyone need it.
She was difficult to trace on census as the family were not in Sunderland in 1841 and she was visiting her maternal grandmother.
I believe she may have been employed as a domestic servant in 1851 prior to returning to Sunderland, with her family, before marrying John.
Any queries please get in touch
Sue
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Hi Sue,
I don't think there was any doubt as to who her father was from the brilliant research done on this post but it is really good to have the final confirmation from the marriage certificate. Thank you.
Happy Christmas to you all ;D
Rosie
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And to you all! Fantastic help throughout the year! Amazing 👏
However, as I said...I have a copy of marriage certificate should Skinniedipper require it
Merry Christmas
Sue
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Great news Sue..glad its sorted, confirmation is key!
Merry Christmas all :)
Cas
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And you too! :)
Sue